US says it has right to kidnap British citizens

[powelly]

[SoND]

I wonder what the EU constitution has to say about this and if they can do it to?

[Hetzer]

What a jolly fine New World Order. Thanks Amerika, home of democracy, freedom and liberty.

And the UK can't wait to scramble aboard that nazi bandwagon.
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[cestrian]

Just 404 days to go.

SoND, I guess you mean...will the EU just pick people up in this country/state and take them to Germany for trial without requesting permission from the UK government?
Well there wont really be a UK government and no borders either, so they probably could if they wanted to but there should be no reason to do that. The important point to remember is that we will no longer have UK common law, we will be wholly subject to EU law, but in courts located in this state of the EU.

[Philious]

Slightly worrying americas juristiction seems to be global, it is neo nazism on a hitleresque scale....

Next thing you know they'll be adding tonnes of new laws so they can execise their new juristiction in foriegn countries more often slowly eeking their way to global domination....

If germany was the axis of evil in ww2 when ww3 comes dont be surprised if Britain is helping China, Russia, France etc to annihilate the corrupt United Sissys Alliance oh I mean U.S.A. duh

Never has there been such a dense country and thats not the population thats the people.

/Rant about american nazism
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[Itchy]

But the US economy is going down the pan , just look at Mcgee's troubles with the USD , it is quickly becoming worthless and weaker all the time , due to trade deficit , countries buying less of it , and constant fiat printing out of more of it.
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[colin1]

[craigie b]

[Itchy]

[stinkwheel]

They wouldn't need to kidnap them anyway. They just need to ask our government and they'll just send them over.

Look at the case of those bankers who were supposedly 'involved' in the whole enron thing.

Two UK citizens were extradited to the US to face charges under American law for an offence that was committed in the UK and was not illegal under UK law. This went through all the UK courts and the European court and they were still sent.

Now that is all kinds of wrong!

So beware people. Just because something isn't illegal in your own country doesn't mean your own government wont ship you across to another country where it is illegal so they can prosecute you for it.
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[Hetzer]

[Makaveli_Rydah]

[Silver]

The most amusing part is to read some of the half-witted responses from Americans trying to justify it. Generally it revolves around the argument, "It's been like this for centuries, therefore it's okay!"

[california_rookie]

Just making sure I understand this correctly; You all are against criminals facing justice simply because you share the same country?

I'm not sure I like the idea of someone coming over here, committing a crime, then running back home and calling "safe" like it's a game of tag. And committing crimes in another country from the safety of your own isn't much better, either.
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[powelly]

[Hetzer]

[Kickstart]

[Silver]

[california_rookie]

Okay, for the record, I 100% agree that there about fourty other better ways to go about bringing someone in a foreign country to justice, especially one that is normally as cooperative as the UK has been with the US in this regard but, honestly, defending criminals who are trying to escape justice by fleeing back to their homeland rather than face the charges against them? It's not as if we imprision people in rat infested dungeons over here...with the exception of 'terrorists'...but let's not even get into that right now. And what about those that are brazen enough to fly back to the country neighboring the one in which the crime was committed? Honestly, that's just tempting fate.

Kickstart, it's not as if we're coming over and busting some 19-year-old kid for what we consider underage drinking (our drinking age being 21) in your neighborhood pub. The article read to me as if it were a foreigner who had committed an offense on our soil, using electronic means, from another location. If Charlton Heston got on his computer and remotely controlled a .50 caliber sniper rifle, using it to snipe English ground squirrels, I'd be the first one calling for him to be shipped over there to face the music. Even though it's perfectly legal to hunt varmints with large caliber weapons over here, just ask McGee, it is presumably very much not legal there and he should be dealt with accordingly. Using technology to extend your presence to another location is the same as being there. Well, in my mind it is.
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[craigie b]

Rookie, you miss the point entirely.

Nobody is defending criminals and you need to make that distinction. Until you have proven someone guilty their not criminal. That means they should be entitled to an extradition process.

IMO the people on this board are instead upset, as I am, that the US has decided to grant itself 'rights' in the UK even if it means breaking UK law. I mean kidnapping, for fecks sakes.

If a crime has been committed and you have the evidence to support your case then why do you need to kidnap them in the first place? As pointed out the UK already extradites its citizens for non UK crimes back to the US so why does the US need to announce 'we have a legal right to kidnap British citizens?

To me, its an example of the USA arrogance. Not even Russia would stand in Public and say 'its in our law to have the right to kidnap our allies citizens'. More over, it shows how much contempt the US has for other nations. It means your country is not even prepared to allow allied nationals the luxury of their own rights in their own country.

If a crime has been committed then use the tried and tested means that is legal in every other civilised country to bring the person to justice.

[powelly]

[Kickstart]

[Itchy]

It often makes you wonder considering there is no real quo pro quo as to what dirt the CIA has on Blair/Brown , other than the usual big swiss bank account.
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