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PostPosted: 09:46 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Fitting C + S Reply with quote
Right as i usually do when i come back from uni i try and line up a load of presents for my bike that i can do the moment i get back.

Everytime stuff goes wrong but shit happens, i /try/ lol.

Anyway, chain was completely fubared and i wanted to downgear so sorted myself -1+2/3 (cant remember) renthals and a decent chain.

Just a few questions for what i'll need to do it myself with minimum pain-

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Itchy wrote:

Louise wrote:
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£100 tops , + £10 to get it rivetted , a fairly easy job TBH

If it costs £10 to get a garage to do it, let alone if you need split links etc to get to the garage, surely its better to just buy a multi tool?
My question is it worth buying one of these cutter, splitter and rivetter type multitool ones, or just stick for individual ones. Its going to be used one in a blue moon so i dont want to waste too much money, but i dont want them to not work. Its a 530 gauge chain. Things (on ebay) range from 20 ish quid to 70 so im not certain just what to go for.
Oh also i /know/ my chains going to need a link or two taken off it, which means i need a splitter too right?

Cheap splitter

As you can guess ive not used one before, i get how they work just about, but still. Old enough to know buy cheap buy twice.
And worryingly it'll be the 100 quid chain i have to replace.

Failing that is there anyone vaguely near hertfordshire who doesnt mind losing an afternoon to giving me a hand who has a splitter/rivetter or wouldnt mind lending me one? I'll bring beers for while we do it Thumbs Up

- Is it worth soaking the chain in new engine oil, for how long, and what quality (any cheap esso forecourt ford focus worthy or proper stuff).

- Does anyone know if i NEED to replace anything when ive taken the front sprocket off? Ie a castellated nut or something that i'll need to get in? My haynes is at home as well and i have no idea where to check these things out. Its a 96 CBR 600 (F3)


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PostPosted: 11:25 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

What kind of rivet link have you got? Soft one (normally have a dimple on the end of the pins to be rivetted) or a hard one? First is easy, 2nd type will destroy a cheap rivetter without having any effect on the link.

Do you have access to an angle grinder? If so you can use that to grind the heads from the rivets to make taking a link out far easier.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:24 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
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What kind of rivet link have you got? Soft one (normally have a dimple on the end of the pins to be rivetted) or a hard one? First is easy, 2nd type will destroy a cheap rivetter without having any effect on the link.

Do you have access to an angle grinder? If so you can use that to grind the heads from the rivets to make taking a link out far easier.

All the best

Keith


No idea, and no Sad

I havent seen the chain yet. I was just going to hacksaw the old chain off.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 22 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Its a tsubaki Alpha X chain, not certain how id go about finding out quicker then the email i just sent.
Will let you know when they reply.
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
...help?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:
...help?


Get a tool like this one

https://www.motrax.co.uk/index.php?page_name=product&sub_page=1&product_id=1618

My C&S were fitted using a tool like this. It pushes out the pin on the old chain so you can take it off. You then use it to push the face plate onto the chain, then swap attachment to mushroom the new chain pin over to lock it all in place. Was bloody hard work and you might find it easier with a mate because the force required on the tool was pretty large.

The chain was the same as yours I think.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

If it is a soft link them a cheap chain riviter will do the job.

If it is a hard link then it will need a better rivitter. Whale rivitter isn't cheap.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:30 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry keith i meant to reply, its a soft link chain.

And joe ive looked into them but its 60 notes ... Neutral

Im not likely to change the chain very often (well at least not before i have the money to buy a tool easily) so i was wondering about cheap alternatives.

Tbh i dont mind going to a garage to get it rivetted, but in that case id need a split link. And like i say id need to rip out a couple of the links more then likely so id need something for that Thinking

Also what are your thoughts on soaking the chain before use in oil? Seems like a good idea but i never know for sure.

Oh and vincent im in stevenage but im fine to travel reasonable distances to borrow tools/do it at yours (depending if you mind the intrusion).
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

With a soft link one of the cheaper rivitters will be fine.

Some have used a set of plumbers pliers. Not sure I would trust it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:49 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:
theres a guy on eBay USA that does riveters for £22 inc post. I don't mind nipping round and giving you a hand, I've got everything needed apart from a riveter. (I've always used split links without any problems).
Don't soak the new chain in oil, if it's an O ring or x ring one you'll destroy it.


See thats what i wanted to check Wink Although isnt normal (new) engine oil always recommended as the best lubricant for chains? Its an X-Ring btw.

And if it was a lower capacity bike that i wasnt downgearing for millions of clutched wheelies i might trust split links, but id rather have the piece of mind of a rivetted one.

But yeh mate that would be legend if you dont mind. I'll have a look on ebay for that rivetter. But the more i think about it the more sense its making to just drop it down to a mechs to rivet it quickly for me.

Whats the crack with the front sprocket then? I remember people telling me its a nightmare... And this has been on (and abused) for /at least/ 3 years.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
bonny_ricardo wrote:
See thats what i wanted to check Wink Although isnt normal (new) engine oil always recommended as the best lubricant for chains? Its an X-Ring btw.


I use old engine oil on chains.

bonny_ricardo wrote:
Whats the crack with the front sprocket then? I remember people telling me its a nightmare... And this has been on (and abused) for /at least/ 3 years.


Think most Hondas use a clip with 2 bolts on the front sprocket. They are a doddle to get on and off. Just make sure you do the bolts up tightly (I would say to use Loctite on them).

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:41 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Think most Hondas use a clip with 2 bolts on the front sprocket. They are a doddle to get on and off. Just make sure you do the bolts up tightly (I would say to use Loctite on them).


And always a good idea to undo 1st. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have got a garage, but i dont mind chipping over to yours if its easier for you? Where are you based?

Judging by that article do you guys think running it through a bit of oil slowly but not leaving it to soak might be an idea? Vincent whilst i usually just use spray on lube what worries me is initially it may be quite dry for packaging and this might give it a good start.

Also i've been trying to find a pic of a sprocket on the bike as im not home right now, but to no avail. I've checked microfiches aswell and i bizarrely cant seem to find the beasty.

Anyone know for certain?
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

The oil will help on a non O ring chain as the oil can soak in. With an O ring chain it is sealed so the oil isn't going to get in.

All the best

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fair nuff. In two minds about buying some chainsaw oil, as everyone else is doing it....

And i also assumed id get a more thorough job of lubing it if i did it off the bike, get the side plates etc. Thats one reason i wish i had a split link. Could just pop the chain off and give it a thorough revamp every month or so.
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Kickstart wrote:
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The oil will help on a non O ring chain as the oil can soak in. With an O ring chain it is sealed so the oil isn't going to get in.


All you need to do with an O-Ring chain is make sure that the O-Rings dont become brittle and perish.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 02 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vincent wrote:

Aye it makes life a bit easier, I'd look into it - I think as long as the split link is good quality it's sound. Theres no extra force working on the retaining clip, the link itself is just as strong as a soft link. DID still make split links for their O and X ring chains. I reckon we might be better sticking the new chain on at yours. I doubt it will, but if something needed sorting as well as the chain, at least the bike would be at yours. If you have the new front sprocket there, have as look at it. If there are no threaded holes then it will be a single nut holding it on. The RR uses a bolt I think.


Yeh thats fine. Do you work all week or weekends or what? Im back from uni so staying with my parents, and they're complete eejits when it comes to bike maintainence and are happy to vocalise it. So during the week would be better, but either is fine obviously.

As for the split link theres been mutterings from people on here about how they'd fail peoples MOT if they clocked it and such. And since a chains only as strong as the weakest link it seems like abit of an unjustifiable risk. I'll see if they sell them on the site i got my chain from originally. If they're only cheap i cant see a problem, just heard too many 'chain smashed my engine to pieces' stories to get too blaze.

I think the sprocket is a normal splined rod with bolt holding it on, dont recall any threaded holes. As i say im at uni at the moment so sadly cant check.
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