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PostPosted: 21:38 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: how the f*ck do police drivers keep their cool? Reply with quote

i'm a huge fan of Police Camera Action, cops uncut, road wars etc. prob never missed an episode.

but when watching them and seeing police doing their normal rounds with ANPR turned on, the system comes up and spots a dodgey car, they do a U -turn to follow them, then the games on... the adrenaline starts going... blues and two's go on for the cops and they give chase, yet the suspect refuses to stop.

now, when you watch the video's of the cops with lights and sirens blaring away, why the f*ck do normal road users panic. they stop DEAD. no matter where they are they stop. needless to say putting the brakes on the pursuit and letting the crooks get away.


how the fuck do the police keep their cool? i've seen a few on the vids swearing at people etc. but i'd have to do far worse than that.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt' just a case of Cams on, keep gob shut....

Like you say you see the muppets stop with the lights & sirens blazing away behind them and they make no attempt to move out of the way to allow them through...

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PostPosted: 21:53 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

People panic and think by stopping where they are is the safest option where in fact pulling over at the next opportunity is much better. Had many a paramedic swear and cuss due to the gross stupidity of other road users. It is funny watching them panic and turn into Maureen from driving school. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd lose my rag completely, I know what it's like from a previous security guard job. you wait for a job, then when one comes the adrenalin kicks in. but,. then some complete tit ruins it for you.

(in my case it was the staff approaching the shoplifter and ask if they'd like a basket) albeit that's what I trained them to do, I didn't want them to do it of I had a job on. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen people go for an overtake as others pull in to let an ambulance past Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I've seen people go for an overtake as others pull in to let an ambulance past Rolling Eyes.


Sitting in the back you see all sorts and yes a motorcycle has been on the bumper as the ambulance makes the filtering easier for them. It is madness as they have inches to stop if needed.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to follow the blues and twos. got to see some good stuff but most was to old ladies and stupid people.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 07 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used a police car as an escort before. It was on a road narrowed by roadworks, so all the cars had to pull onto the pavement to let the cop past. I calmly pulled in at the side of the road while the chaos ensued, then pulled out behind the cop car and enjoyed the nice, clear road.

Well, until he went through a red light I did, anyway, then it was back to traffic again.
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 08 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nynfortoo wrote:
I've used a police car as an escort before. It was on a road narrowed by roadworks, so all the cars had to pull onto the pavement to let the cop past. I calmly pulled in at the side of the road while the chaos ensued, then pulled out behind the cop car and enjoyed the nice, clear road.

Well, until he went through a red light I did, anyway, then it was back to traffic again.


Saw some yuppy prick in one of those new Range Rovers the other day doing that right behind an ambulance. Seems rather arrogant to me people who do that as in effect they're pushing their way through the queue and don't have the patience to wait like everyone else. Probably a good indicator of their personality as well... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 08 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They keep their cool by doing commentary on their pursuit.

It's part of the AIM test, which all police drivers have to sit.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 08 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

nynfortoo wrote:
I've used a police car as an escort before. It was on a road narrowed by roadworks, so all the cars had to pull onto the pavement to let the cop past. I calmly pulled in at the side of the road while the chaos ensued, then pulled out behind the cop car and enjoyed the nice, clear road.

Well, until he went through a red light I did, anyway, then it was back to traffic again.


I chased an ambulance like that once beacause my wife (well, girlfriend at the time) was in labour in it.
Well, i say chased, i think more appropriate would be tried, because in the I couldn't keep up well enough (1.1 clio, and it was starting to hesitate because it had been running on fumes for a couple of days). As I got further behind people were starting to pull back in on me, and by the second red light he went through i was a good 100 yards back so had to stop.
I then tried to get fuel, but that's another story Smile
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 08 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stu_666 wrote:


Saw some yuppy prick in one of those new Range Rovers the other day doing that right behind an ambulance. Seems rather arrogant to me people who do that as in effect they're pushing their way through the queue and don't have the patience to wait like everyone else. Probably a good indicator of their personality as well... Rolling Eyes


Like a filtering bike you mean? Smile

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PostPosted: 14:10 - 08 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stu_666 wrote:
Saw some yuppy prick in one of those new Range Rovers the other day doing that right behind an ambulance. Seems rather arrogant to me people who do that as in effect they're pushing their way through the queue and don't have the patience to wait like everyone else. Probably a good indicator of their personality as well... Rolling Eyes


I'd agree about cars; in fact, I saw a car filtering up the centre of the road the other day, trying to skip past the queue of traffic. That astounded me.

But I pulled off as soon as the police car had gone past. All the other traffic was too busy trying to manoeuvre themselves back onto the road; I certainly wasn't waiting.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 09 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Training, training and training the same way that training and practise gives us the skills we need to survive the roads. Exafctly the same way that troops are over trained so that they do the right thing in combat.

A friend of mine has been a Met officer for about four years now and only this summer qualified to use blues and twos.

I forget how many courses he has been on so far to get to that level but there are still a fair number in front of him. The courses aren't automatic either, each one has to be authorised by the Officers skipper. The theory being that only Officers who are suitable for pursuit duties get the training and authorisation to do so.

The system isn't perfect. Sometimes it dosn't work but most of the time it does.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 09 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaguely annoys me how as soon as the police car/ambulance goes past, yuppie type people seem to think they are entitled to latch onto the back of it, stamp on the gas, and follow it through all the traffic.

Of course more than 1 person has the same idea, and it always ends up with a near collision.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 09 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's hardly surprising.

Everyone is so shit scared about loosing their licence for speeding that their first reation on seeing a police car is to slam on the brakes, then check to see if they were actually speeding.

It is a rod the police have made for their own backs.

The other day a guy on a ZX9R and myself pulled across for a police car that pulled out of a sideroad behind us and started filtering through Harrogate town centre on the blues and twos.

Turns out we should just have kept going because he was holding us up. After about a mile he decided to stop, get put of the car and give us a row for following him. Now it was either an emergency or it wasn't. If it was an emergency, why did he stop? If it wasn't, why did he have the blues and twos on?

They should give traffic police a different colour light, they don't warrant the respect that is due to a blue light in my oppinion.

As far as I'm concerned a blue light should be used only in circumstances where someone's life would be put in immediate danger by delaying the vehicle showing it. This is always the case with an ambulance and a fire engine. It is occasionally the case with a normal police car and almost never the case with a traffic car.
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
almost never the case with a traffic car.


But think of the kittens...

And that little girl mangled by a savage bastard doing 35mph not 30...

Evil sick twisted bastard!

Or so the advert would have us believe anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
As far as I'm concerned a blue light should be used only in circumstances where someone's life would be put in immediate danger by delaying the vehicle showing it. This is always the case with an ambulance and a fire engine. It is occasionally the case with a normal police car and almost never the case with a traffic car.


Travelling at speed in traffic and breaking the common or garden rules of the road puts other road users at risk which is why they get the nice two-tone and disco light.

The light and siren are only for use in attending emergencies, frivolous use is a disciplinary breech.

As you discuss in the case above the poor sod was stuck in traffic attempting to attend. I suspect that he was stuck too long and was no longer required at the scene.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
I've seen people go for an overtake as others pull in to let an ambulance past Rolling Eyes.


I once had to swerve around the car in front because the twat performed an emergency stop when he saw some lights behind him in the distance... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Everyone is so shit scared about loosing their licence for speeding that their first reation on seeing a police car is to slam on the brakes, then check to see if they were actually speeding.

Once upon a time I remember transporting a bike in the back of a transit, being followed by a friend in his car. We took a couple of walkie talkies so that we could have a chat, as it was a pretty boring trip of ~150 miles.
I lost him for a bit in some traffic, and when I hit a NSL he came on the talkie to tell me that someone had just bombed past him, spotted he had a radio in his hand and almost immediately slammed on the brakes forcing him to do an emergency stop to avoid crashing into the back of this other driver.

But, as you say, "It is a rod the police have made for their own backs" and I agree completely.

Kal wrote:
breaking the common or garden rules of the road puts other road users at risk

Does it ****. Travelling down an empty motorway to be pulled over by a copper on an on-ramp for doing 4mph over the ton. Who else was that putting at risk?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point a speed limit on the mainland that is over 70mph and I'll buy you a beer.

As it is you were 34mph over the speed limit - to all intents and purposes doing 150% of the speed limit. You took a chance and got caught out - it isn't like no one ever told you.

By the way nice edit on my post to grind your particular axe.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:


Travelling at speed in traffic and breaking the common or garden rules of the road puts other road users at risk which is why they get the nice two-tone and disco light.

The light and siren are only for use in attending emergencies, frivolous use is a disciplinary breech.

As you discuss in the case above the poor sod was stuck in traffic attempting to attend. I suspect that he was stuck too long and was no longer required at the scene.


I'm just saying they should get a different colour of light so you can differentiate between something you should make every possible effort to get out of the way of and something which you need to keep an eye on then move out of the way of when it is safe to do so..

The guy in question stopped in the middle of the road, with the lights still going (the siren stopped when he did), got out, walked 30yds back up the road, shouted "Stop following me!" (complete with pointy finger), walked back to his car then continued driving up the middle of a two lane road with the blues and twos on.

We waited long enough for me to say "What the hell is his problem?", the other guy to shrug his shoulders then we set off on our merry way, this time leaving a slightly bigger gap when we came back up behind the car again.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
By the way nice edit on my post to grind your particular axe.

I did so because the first half of your sentence was related to traffic, and was unrelated to what I was trying to put across.
The point I was trying to make is that I wasn't putting anyone else at risk, and as such was offering up a counterpoint to what you claimed - breaking laws doesn't always put other road users at risk.

As regards the speeding; I broke the law and got caught - it's a risk I accepted when I did it and I'm not looking for support of my actions or even sympathy (or to grind any axes for that matter). I only used it as an example - I did the crime, took the punishment and it's all done and dusted with now.

I notice that you chose to ignore the question I posed, too.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 11 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't there so I don't know how many kittens were waiting to leap out in front of the wheels of your jugganaught of doom. Smile

I'm no angel when it comes to speed, I am probably the only person you've spoken to too irresponsible with a throttle to ride a CB500 regularly.

As you say we know its wrong, we know that speed cameras and Police Officers are a hazard to our licences when we speed so I try to pick and choose my times.

Anyway, different issue to Police Officers using Blues and Twos. As I understand it the Officer in Stinkwheels story above should have shut off the siren when he stopped and left the blue light going as his vehicle wasn't in a safe position.

Is it actually illegal to follow an emergency vehicle responding? Assuming you follow all other rules of the road? I don't *think* it's illegal and I can't find anything on the subject either way.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 11 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
...As far as I'm concerned a blue light should be used only in circumstances where someone's life would be put in immediate danger by delaying the vehicle showing it. ....

Nice idea, wonder how it would have applied to the dog van with blues & twos going over the Humber bridge last Thursday.
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