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PostPosted: 10:30 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Police fire Taser into head of innocent man Reply with quote

Police fired a 50,000-volt Taser into the head of a 45-year-old company director who later proved to be unarmed and innocent. Daniel Sylvester, the owner of an east London security firm employing 65 staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs, was driving home on October 20 when he was stopped by armed police because of “firearms related intelligence”.

According to Sylvester, he got out of his car and was surrounded by officers, at least two of whom were carrying automatic weapons. Without warning, one officer fired a Taser into the back of his head which made him drop to his knees, he said. A second shock caused him to fall on his face, breaking a front tooth. A further six shocks made him wet himself and left him lying in the road in pain while the officers and sniffer dogs searched the car and found nothing…

“Armed police jumped out and opened my car door,” he said. “I said OK, I’m coming. I asked what was going on and as soon as I stepped out of the car I felt something touch me on the back of the head and then I was on my knees. Then it happened again and I was on my face and I felt somebody pressing my head down with their foot. By the fifth time I realised officers were pinning my arms together. It was like they were trying to break my arms and I was in pain, screaming out.

“I was shocked eight times altogether and I had urinated on the floor. It was like being tortured. It went on and on and I felt they were going to kill me.”
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee, that's awful! Glad it wasn't me or mine.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:01 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html?
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit! thats awful. He deserves compo for that.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigmo wrote:
Shit! thats awful. He deserves compo for that.

Agreed. Almost seems like they tazered him for the sake of it, practice maybe.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usual rules apply,

they will try to dig up ANY dirty ficticious or not to defame that person to justify their actions,

don't believe me? ,

the INNOCENT folks at forrest gate who had their homes taken apart by the police and were "accidentally shot" , were reported to be paedos and that child porn had been found on their PCs.

or Jean Charles De menzes who suddenly had a rape claim put against him which dissappeared and was ficticious.

Rules that should apply are that once a person is incapacitated any further attacks on them is assault and or GBH , as with house holders who attack tied up burglars such attacks are reprisals,

but since the police are utter scum and they know for a fact that they can execute innocents without any,

But hey when trust in police is negative 2000% , it can't get any lower, and I wonder who's sympathy they'll get when the police go on strike?
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 19 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know I was just thinking to myself I wonder if he's swarthy looking? I get less than half-way through the Gaurdian article and guess what? the fellow is black. You know sometimes just sometimes I hate our police and reading stuff like this just turns my stomach.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, it sounds bad what happened, but this.... "the owner of an east London security firm employing 65 staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs" puts a slightly different perspective on it for me.

Any money the guy and his cronies are villains and well known to the Police. I'll bet there's more to the story then we know.


When I hear it's a grocer with his family in the car coming home from Asda. Then I'll be appalled.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
Any money the guy and his cronies are villains and well known to the Police. I'll bet there's more to the story then we know.


No reason to tazer him in the head. The fact they didn't find anything proves they shouldn't have done it.

He was stopped by a group of armed officers, surely thats enough to keep somebody in check.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
He was stopped by a group of armed officers, surely thats enough to keep somebody in check.


Yea, i hardly think he's going to start shouting Death Before Dishonour and attack the armed officers
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
When I hear it's a grocer with his family in the car coming home from Asda. Then I'll be appalled.


Words fail me.

Seriously, have a word with yourself.

They tazered a man in the head for no reason but because that man doesn't fit your profile of a 'decent man' all of this barbaric activity is excused? Tell me, do you have a summer placement at Guantanamo?

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PostPosted: 11:19 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
You know, it sounds bad what happened, but this.... "the owner of an east London security firm employing 65 staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs" puts a slightly different perspective on it for me.



https://www.g4s.com/pixs/Nickbuckles.jpg

Heres an owner/director of a security firm employing people to guard places, would you have him tasered too?

Nick Buckles (45) Chief Executive of group 4 security
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching one of hose stop police type programs the other day, when some cops stopped a large group of youths on peds. it was unusual in the fact they were in a dark road in a large group and some were not wearing their lids properly on their heads while riding in circles. So Cops go to have a look and a chat.
Speak to one lad who is laid back and ok with what they had to say, then another guy comes up to them rants and raves about human rights and that the police are just paid thugs and only stopped them because they were racist. The torrent of abuse went on for a while. The police just tried to calm things down as they just wanted to see all was ok and in order. But the second ped rider just went on and on and on.
the first ped rider who was laid back and was the only one to be actually stopped by the police to be spoken to was white. the second ped rider who hadn't even been approached by the police was Black American and the only black in the group.
Now I know the police were on camera and so were being on their best behaviour, but some people just love playing up to the stereotypes. If I was one of the police there I would have used a tazzer just to shut the git up.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
and that the police are just paid thugs and only stopped them


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PostPosted: 13:30 - 20 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I was watching one of hose stop police type programs the other day, when some cops stopped a large group of youths on peds. it was unusual in the fact they were in a dark road in a large group and some were not wearing their lids properly on their heads while riding in circles. So Cops go to have a look and a chat.
Speak to one lad who is laid back and ok with what they had to say, then another guy comes up to them rants and raves about human rights and that the police are just paid thugs and only stopped them because they were racist. The torrent of abuse went on for a while. The police just tried to calm things down as they just wanted to see all was ok and in order. But the second ped rider just went on and on and on.
the first ped rider who was laid back and was the only one to be actually stopped by the police to be spoken to was white. the second ped rider who hadn't even been approached by the police was Black American and the only black in the group.
Now I know the police were on camera and so were being on their best behaviour, but some people just love playing up to the stereotypes. If I was one of the police there I would have used a tazzer just to shut the git up.


I watched this and he was right. Why were the police bothering them?
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 24 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, how naive some of the responses are. Your dislike for the Police is almost comical.
The guy was stopped on "gun related intelligence", do you think the MD for group 4 would ever be stopped for that?

These are the type of people who own "security" firms. https://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article110964.ece

What they do and how they do it never really reaches the public domain and the chances are you'll never come across these fellas, and believe me you really don't want to.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 24 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
Oh dear, how naive some of the responses are. Your dislike for the Police is almost comical.
The guy was stopped on "gun related intelligence", do you think the MD for group 4 would ever be stopped for that?



You did read the bit about him being unarmed and innocent right? Im pretty sure the MD of group 4 is on the whole, unarmed and innocent, so the comparison still stands, or does the colour of his skin make that much difference?
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 24 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, on the evidence we're presented with the only difference is the colour of their skin. You can't defend the indefensible and by their own admission they are "institutionally racist" I don't see any evidence to the contrary since that report was commissioned. Most of the time I can swallow their crap because of the "service" they provide but it's instances like this that make even bleeding heart liberal-conservative-lefties like myself say "Oi, that's just not cricket old boy" Karma
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 28 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

These tazers are scary as hell. Police all over the world seem to be using them on randomers who've done nothing wrong in particular in order to test them out.

If you haven't already seen it, here's a video of the RCMP tazering an innocent Polish man to death. (CBS story)
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 29 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A: I've never heard of this 'incident' before

B: I doubt very much this actually happened

C: Even if it did - i doubt his account is 100% accurate/factworthy.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 29 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freestyler, your post is a little confusing. Are you saying that because this is the first time you have learned of this particular alleged incident, it is unlikely to be based on any small amount of truth?

"B: I doubt very much this actually happened"....Did you not see the link provided?

"C: Even if it did - i doubt his account is 100% accurate/factworthy"....The story obviously came from the media and is unlikely to be 100% factual (factworthy???), however, there must be some truth behind the story.

I think the story/thread brings to light the police state we live in and the fact that gordon's gestapo are tazering people for the sake of it. However, if one is a "hey, well thats the way of the world" type of person, then ones rose coloured spectacles will make the world a beautiful place to live, until......


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PostPosted: 12:48 - 29 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
Oh dear, how naive some of the responses are. Your dislike for the Police is almost comical.
The guy was stopped on "gun related intelligence", do you think the MD for group 4 would ever be stopped for that?

These are the type of people who own "security" firms. https://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article110964.ece

What they do and how they do it never really reaches the public domain and the chances are you'll never come across these fellas, and believe me you really don't want to.


I know the owner of one of the local security firms from my local area and know of another, and yes, you wouldn't want to cross them or if you did you would need a lot of back up.

But that still doesn't mean they deserve to be tasered for NO REASON.

Can you please explain the actual reason you see fit for them to be tasered?
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