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I believe certain members on BCF take to the roads in fancy dress>  ____________________ 1st bike (Sept'06 - May'10) : 1991 GPZ500S / Current bike (since Nov 2009) : 2003 Suzuki Bandit 600N
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Its something about justification , in that a cop has to have some sort of justification to pull you (soon to be changed by our totalitarian masters in government under the guise of anti terror laws , which carries a £5000 fine for non cooperation).
The jeans bit just being the first thing he spotted to use as a justification , since he probably suspected everything else to be legal AFTER he stopped you.
you should have pointed out that only a helmet is a legal requirement if you wanted to be arsey (but be wary this can cause all sorts of other random checks, which you should inform them he isn't a VOSA inspector).
I was pulled in 2004 because I had gone near some cars (I had passed some cars which were parked by the side of the road on a 40mph at about 40mph), and they proceeded to ask where I was going where I had come from , and why I was out so late.
Then proceeded to give me a breath test, whch was clean.
Arsing about like this causes bad will to the public, and thus he shouldn't have beaten around the bush. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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I once got stopped on the way home having given a mate a lift to work he just happens to be a doorman
I stopped and had a coke or two with him before riding home about 2 miles later the police car that followed me from the pub flashed his blues at me and I stopped
He then proceeded to ask me where I had been ect
My reply being the pub that you have just followed me from
He had the good grace to blush
I was breatherlised (Twice negative) but he kept muttering that it couldn't be right?
In the end he told me he had seen me drink at least two pints before riding away
After I picked myself up off the floor and managed to stop laughing at him (he was not impressed)
I asked him where he drinks cause I was sure that the Police federation bar would serve coke in a pint glass the last time I was in there  ____________________ DILLIGAF |
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As soon as they ask:What you are doing, Where you are going or What you are carrying it is a "Stop". Directly ask the poiceman at this point "Is this a stop?".
On carrying out a stop the police are legally required to record details about you, why they stopped you and your ethnicity. They must issue you a copy of this form.
They should inform you:
Their name and the station where they work (unless the search is in relation to suspected terrorist activity or giving his or her name may place the officer in danger. They must then give a warrant card or identification number)
The law under which you have been stopped
Your rights
Why you have been Stopped and/or Searched
Why they chose you
What they are looking for
If they don't have the forms, they must give you a receipt. You can then pick up a form.
Keep the form. You can use it in any complaint you may wish to make in the future. Especially if you land up with a wad of them.
https://www.stopandsearch.com ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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They should have given you a reciept if you asked for one.
The producer is just them deliberately making life difficult for you. The fact that they never mentioned your licence, tax, MOT and insurance means it all checked out ok on the computer. They gave you the producer to inconvenience you because they are petty, small minded individuals and were pissed off at not finding something they could do you for.
If you mention this to them they will quote the road traffic act at you saying "It is an offence not to produce these documents when requested by a police officer but it is a reasonable defence to produce them in 7 days."
They fail to comprehend it does NOT say:
"All policemen must ask to see these documents even when they know they are all in order and asking for them causes an unecessary nuiscance to a law abiding member of the public. Not to mention a waste of police resources for the desk jockey who has to note them down. I mean, really, if you're going to ask everyone for them, why did we bother putting all this crap on computer in the first place? ".
They also conveniently forget it says "It is an acceptable defence to produce them within seven days OR AS SOON AS IS REASONABLY PRACTICAL.". Like when someone is in hospital Dibble!
In short, they were being deliberately awkward because you had the audacity to have been not drinking and driving. Don't hold it against them though, they are taught to behave like this at traffic police school.
I heard the chief inspector tells them a joke just before he pings the white plastic bag over their policemans hat. If the corner of their mouth so much as twitches, they are busted back down to a beat copper. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Just a thought..............................
One night your pride & joy gets nicked, by some nob who isn't wearing full bike kit. (Coz to be doing so, not on a bike, would look even more sus!)
So this thieving scum, in jeans, is stopped by this 'bored copper'.
Your bike is recovered, the toe-rag is in the cell.
As I said, just a thought................  ____________________ Never ride faster than your Guardian Angel can fly & always as if you were about to meet yourself coming the other way!
And just remember: speed doesn't kill! It's the stopping suddenly that hurts....... |
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Look on the bright side, at least you didn't get done for your exhaust, visor and number plate!
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i got pulled over a few weeks ago for a light out at the back whilst riding at night, fair enough, but to get away with stuff you need to lighten the mood!
'why do you think we've pulld you over?'
'because i have a spectacularly nice arse?'
makes them laugh, and also probably got me away with having half an L plate on the back!
replaced now though  ____________________ Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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yeh he could have been arssey but then they could have found out he had an illegal exhaust, an illegal visor, and an illegal number plate. He's lucky if you ask me...  ____________________ follow my racing season
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LOL, tis abit ridiculous really,
i did get stopped once for not wearing the `PERFECT` gear & he said just stopping cause your not dressed like a biker but i wear jeans alot on bike & its never been a issue,nors the black visor or race can but they dont like my headlight cover when iv got lights on, as it gives out a blue ish beam & this is/was all i got pulled for other then the odd 1 here & there so now its off in daytime & cover comes off @ night
also got stopped before for them to just say, "these bikes are nicked alot, so we had to check this wasnt one of them"
last one i got which was about a month ago was me practicing wheelies then i forgot as i went past a set of lights that there was police station on my right so i poped it up & then went off & quite a way down the road i heard the sirens & this biker on my left suddenly turned off & i moved over for them to go past but it was for me & he came up beside me & said " was that you who just pulled that wheelie back there & was that other bike with you?" to which i said "er.... yea i pulled away abit too aggressively & no he wasnt with me & he turned off as soon as he/we heard you" & the fed in passenger seat seem quite impressed with my wheelie but the other 1 who was doing the check on radio i thought was gonna be the arsey 1(normally always 1!) but then it came back all fine & he just said.. "you've gotta be careful wheeling along here cause you get idiots walking out from no where" & i was just stunned! as in there eyes IM the idiot for wheeling so out of all the ones iv been pulled for, getting pulled for poping it was the best & most respected  ____________________ GSXR750
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| Quote: | If you mention this to them they will quote the road traffic act at you saying "It is an offence not to produce these documents when requested by a police officer but it is a reasonable defence to produce them in 7 days."
They fail to comprehend it does NOT say:
"All policemen must ask to see these documents even when they know they are all in order and asking for them causes an unecessary nuiscance to a law abiding member of the public. Not to mention a waste of police resources for the desk jockey who has to note them down. I mean, really, if you're going to ask everyone for them, why did we bother putting all this crap on computer in the first place? ".
They also conveniently forget it says "It is an acceptable defence to produce them within seven days OR AS SOON AS IS REASONABLY PRACTICAL.". Like when someone is in hospital Dibble! |
First and formost, whilst most things are now computerised, there are still many instances where the computer cannot allow for the human equation, hence the reason why a requirement to produce your documents is still made.
This means that the documents are examined first hand, and any annomolies can be explained or even discounted from what the central database is stating, and it has happened on many occasions where the computer has been proven wrong.
However, the offence of failing to produce or driving/riding without documents occurs on the day of being stopped not seven days after being required to produce, so when it comes to your comment about "As soon as practicable" it is total tosh!
If someone is unable to produce within the 7 days, (and the 7 days starts from midnight of the day you were stopped,) because for example the person was in Hospital, then that would be classed as that persons lawfull defence providing of course they have the documents in the first place.
Insurance and MOT can be produced by someone else, but the licence has to be produced by the person who was stopped because a signature is required. These details are then entered into what is called an HO/RT2 and is a statement admissable in evidence as it is recorded at the time of the production.
Any stop only becomes a search when it moves on to being a physical search of the person or vehicle, and it is quite reasonable in law to ask someone where they have been or where they are going, this is not a search and PACE only kicks in at the point where an offence is suspected. ____________________ It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 195 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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