Government refuses to budge on dark visors

Jon · Anyone for donuts? Joined: 28 Oct 2002 Karma :

From MCN:

Transport Minister David Jamieson has just announced that he won’t be making dark visors legal, despite admitting their benefits in reducing glare from sunlight.

The sticking point appears to be the potential for us to wear our visors at night, ride around like blinded fools and run over pedestrians.

He said: " The large majority of motorcyclists were in favour of dark visors, which they regard as the best way to reduce glare. But road safety organisations who have expressed concerns about the safety of other vulnerable road users, given the potential for misuse of dark visors at dusk or at night. "

His announcement comes after a three-month public consultation earlier in the year on whether the law should change.

Campaigners who have supported a change in the law say this could be the end of the fight.

Alan Goodman, who sits on the British Standards committee that sets the laws regarding visors, said: " This is an unbelievable decision. The minister has ignored everybody. I don’t see what we can do now except carry on wearing illegal, untested visors to try and ride safely. "

That means the darkest visor we will be allowed to use legally is still one with a 50 per cent tint – considered by most of us to be not tinted enough to block out bright or low sun.

Acenc · L Plate Warrior Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Karma :

Why not make Visors like Glasses, that change from tinted to untinted depending on light? Or is that thinking too logically Razz

Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

I think they should make it so you can wear a dark visor so long as you have a visor-pal and carry a clear one at all times in case you get caught in the dark or something. Why do we have such a bunch of tossers running our country, I reckon BCF should go for elections, VOTE KING KORN Laughing

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Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

I second that Scoob! Wink

But yeh i dont see the harm in tinited visors.
No one wants to be blind on a bike....i mean come on.
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Scooby · Scrappy Doo Joined: 26 Mar 2002 Karma :

At the end of the day. the government is still in this frame of mind which thinks bikers treat their bikes like car drivers treat their cars. I mean, there's a lot of car drivers on the road which basically don't give a shit about their car, but there's only gonna be a handful of bikers which don't give a shit about their bikes, so carrying a dark and clear visor would give you the option to choose the safest one for completing your journey. I don't think the government know just how easy it is to pull up at the side of the road and change a visor either, I mean I can change mine in about a minute, they seem to be under the impression it's a chore and a half that nobody will bother doing, but at the end of the day if you can't see because of sun or glare you will put on a dark visor and if it's nighttime you will put on a clear visor so that you don't crash your bike. I think it needs pointing out to them that having a choice of 2 visors on a journey might help us see more of the nobheads in cars basically out to run us off the road.
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DUG · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Karma :

nicely put scooby,when i go to the sarrat meet in the summer its full of country roads there and a dark visor is needed,alot of the people simply wear the dark visor there and switch it over for when they are going home at night.its not rocket science after all and takes just a minute or so depending on the crash helmet u have.bet u the twats who make this law dont even ride bike and aint got a bllody clue. Laughing

also u see alot of people with the sunglasses on and its no differant to a dark visor apart from the time it takes to change them. Cool

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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

sunglasses under a helmet are a pain in the neck. Esp when you try and take your lid off forgetting you're wearing them.

DUG · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Karma :

i made the point about the sunglasses because they dont give a shit about wearing them or even tinted glasses but they say bollocks ur not wering dark visors. Rolling Eyes

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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

i think there is a limit on the amount of tint car windows are allowed as well, but they have that darker bit at the top of the windscreen on most cars. and flip down visors.

anyway. dark visors. we should be allowed them, or they should make the light reflective ones more available. they featured one in the new products section of superbike a few months back, it reacts to light like glasses.

alternatively, give us more lids like the lazer revolution. i got one, 2 visors is dead useful for normal riding, and i found it was great for confusing goosey the other day as.
"hang on, i cant see your face anymore".

are any of the other manufacturers going to make a dual visor helmet?

JimboJ · Manc Pikey Joined: 23 Aug 2002 Karma :

i have never had a dark visor and to be honest its very rare where i live that im blinded by the light. when it did happen tho i shit myself and had to stop rather unsafely
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Robson · Scooby Slapper Joined: 01 Nov 2002 Karma :

ive got really sensative eyes to light even the slightest bit of brightish light and i canna see uve just gotta use them anyway its better than crashing your bike cause you cant see where your going eh, my mate was just done for having black windows in his car (yes its a nova ahaha but hes no boy racer he understands there no point in trying to be in a 1200 nova) but they really were blacker than black, they have tests they can do now to see if theyre legal i dont see why they cant do the same thing for visors
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JimboJ · Manc Pikey Joined: 23 Aug 2002 Karma :

how much and where form?
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Bendy · Mrs Sensible Joined: 10 Jun 2002 Karma :

£200 from CustomLids.co.uk, tho you can prolly find cheaper.

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finally i found a place that does alpinestars(the only size that fits) thanks.
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Acenc · L Plate Warrior Joined: 20 Dec 2002 Karma :

Surely, with the wonders of modern technology they can come up with a way of reducing glare without tinting. The visors in cars are useless, they just block your view.

Can they not make sun glasses that just clip onto your nose? Then they can be removed just by lifting your visor and unclipping them.

But you have to look at it from their point of view, there are still a lot of bikers who will just think "I can't be arsed" and leave their tinted visors in. The same as there are lots of car drivers who drive at night with sunglasses on. But car drivers face the same problems, they can't have a tinted windscreen, not even a slight tint, and thos stupid sun strips don't do a bloody thing........ how about sun strips for helmets? Hmmm.

I can see where you're all coming from, but the bigger picture shows that there will be lots of accidents by irresponsible riders who don't remove tinted visors. The best thing you can do is not try to change their minds, but come up with alternatives that will make it safe and easy for everyone.

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Well, you can still see at night, but there must be some way they can make them legal for day light use only?

Annabella · Like a person, only smaller Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

I think Scoob put it most logically. You're riding along, and it's dark, you can't see a bloomin' thing. You simply aren't going to carry on riding if you can change your veiw.

Hmmmmm, it seems all bikers are retarded, idiotic fools who can't tell the difference between good and bad vision. Or maybe it's just the government who are the retarded, idiotic fools?
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

They're just covering thier backs, and thinking about the 0.05% who are unable to use thier (little) common sense Evil or Very Mad

kev · I Hump Things Joined: 07 Oct 2002 Karma :

look at it like this how many people actually give a shit about what the goverment say
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Doddmaster · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

I suppose 50% tint is better than nothing. I'd be quite happy with that to be honest

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