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PostPosted: 22:33 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: R6 for first bike Reply with quote

Firstly I'm saving up for an NSR 125 then I'm going to do my full test when I'm 18. Then I'm going to pay off my debts!! THEN I want a Yamaha R6. Is this a good choice of bike for someone who's not long passed their test? How much will I be paying for insurance? Taking into account that I will be 17/18? Will be grateful for any advice.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

technically its not your first bike cos the nsr is Rolling Eyes and thats what im doing(well a 600 sports anyway!) i dont see why not
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

ignore jimbo for questions like this, hes an idiot.

R6 straight after an NSR is a bad idea. too expensive to insure, an awful lot of power, and not much to look forward to. ride the NSR for a bit, then look at older sports 600s (older CBR6), sports 400s, and midrange "commuters" - CB500, GPz500, SV650.

most of us here have at least a years experience on a 50 or 125 before going up to a restricted 400. then pull out the restrictors sharpish and stick with it for a bit.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have 1 year and 4 months experience on bikes which i think is adequate to go onto a bigger bike, insurance for r6 is only a grand but thats only on 98 models which i couldnt find on autotrader when i looked
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest it depends on the rider. I could see myself on a 600 next cos I've ridden one before. Look at Zim, he went from a CG125 to a VTR1000 in under 2 years, and at the end of the day it boils down to how good a rider you are.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends how you ride??? for a rider with little experience to go on to a r6 and ride hard........bad idea, the r6 is far-far to unforgiving, it tries its hardest to wheelies in first second and even third???? and at 18 you wont get inshured on it Confused

if you must get a 600 sport...go for a older slightly more relaxed bike...a cbr or summin.

dont try and skip the learning curve....it will end up i tears
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

your wrong craig, youll end up in smears!
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimbo shut up you rapped up your NSR, who are you to lecture Craig?
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimbo you have a year and 4 months on a 50cc ped and 125 with a restricted speedo. thats 1st or 2nd gear on an R6. enough experience to hop up to a 400 or old CBR6, but an R6 is a beast.

plus out of that experience how many were on the NSR, cos ped hardly counts. and you rode the NSR into the side of a car. think about it.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

JIM!!! i been riding bikes since i was 9 years old!!!!

now im not very well and im not in the mood for your shite tonight.


do us all a favour and crawl back under your rock [/rant]

when the geust asked for an oppinioun about an r6...he wanted somepeople with some knowledge to answer him...not some newbie whos had his bike 10 minutes!!...jesus JIM i took you months to learn about the power band!!!, it wouldnt surprise me if you thought the r6 had one cylinder!.

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PostPosted: 23:35 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

no you missed the point of that Rolling Eyes that was a no your wrong about youll end up in tears......cos youll end up in smears. i dont doubt anyones ability. plus ridin at 9 means nothing for road use
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

plus i missed th bottom bit and i couldnt give two shits how the bike worked like i say time and time again i JUST LIKE RIDIN EM. whether the engine has 8 cylinders a turbo and anything else on it makes no difference to my riding ability does it?
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Re: R6 for first bike Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
Firstly I'm saving up for an NSR 125 then I'm going to do my full test when I'm 18. Then I'm going to pay off my debts!! THEN I want a Yamaha R6. Is this a good choice of bike for someone who's not long passed their test? How much will I be paying for insurance? Taking into account that I will be 17/18? Will be grateful for any advice.

Sounds very ambitious!
Although If your anything like me, you'll change your mind every couple of weeks. Personally I think an R6 is a bad idea because (as it's been said already) its very unforgiving. Although, of course, your not me.
Also think about the costs involved if you drop it.
- If you could insure it before, unlikely you still would ba able to
- All the repears Sad
- Not built to stand crashes (pure sports) so crashing would generally be nasty
- etc, etc

If I were you I would consider a sports 400 or an older 600. Although if, like me, your still waiting to get a 125 I would suggest that you concentrate on one bike at a time Wink
I know what it's like, but it's a bad/expensive route to be on if your always looking for a new (bigger) bike. You'll enjoy biking more if enjoy what you have, to state the obvious.

Besides that I'm sure that guest is happy for anyone to reply to his message. Be they experienced (such as G,tin,etc) or inexperienced (such as myself).
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

jim you'll find the kind of engine matters a lot. i'd love to see you ride my VFR like you ride the NSR. you'd flip it pulling away, and then lose the back wheel when your first encounter engine braking.

and as for a turbo, if you dont know what they do, dont ever use one on a bike that may have to go round corners.

still to a small bike and chuck on some red powerbands if its too slow for you.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

a: a turbo just accelerates the air into the engine as far as i can make out, b: power band not funny and no i wouldnt flip your bike cos i would ride that its too old
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 21 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

and ffs stop having a go at me cos i have no interest in every bike on the planet
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PostPosted: 00:37 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

scoobysnacks wrote:
Look at Zim, he went from a CG125 to a VTR1000 in under 2 years, and at the end of the day it boils down to how good a rider you are.


Umm, yeah, but in between the CG, there was an NSR and a ZXR, which makes a heck of a difference. Zimma complains that the ZXR has no power now, but I'm sure that he appreciated the learning curve.

How old are you now? If you're gonna be riding pretty much every day (commuting etc) on the NSR, for a fair few months, then I personally don't see why you can't move from an NSR to an R6.

The main thing for a 17/18 year old (I assume that you don't drive?) is to learn the "rules of the road" rather than "ruling the road". I had been driving for over 4 years before getting into bikes, so even though I'm not a great rider, I would consider myself a fairly safe rider. I reckon that knowing "when" to open up the throttle is more important than knowing "how" </me opens himself up for the pedantic comments>

As for getting insured, you'll certainly get some sort of cover, but expect to pay a premium.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well. I did go from a NSR to a R6.

Possibly wouldnt reccomend it as a wise move - if you dont have a lot of self control you will kill yourself or someone else! Its a bloody hard bike to ride well without first getting a reasonable amount of experience... and insurance companies are real bastards when it comes to 'em, you only have to mention R6 and the policy goes up 10 times! even at my age (no comments TiN!) I pay an absolute fortune so at 18 even third party will be a mad price and if you cant afford a new one a cheap second hand one is gonna be thrashed to death cos thats the type of people that buy em.. hence the insurance - oh yeah, and also they get knicked a LOT!
.... but after saying all that I love mine and wouldnt swap it (yet!) Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said above!

get the nsr! learn to ride and learn the road! I'm an old biker type here (not in age as I'm not the oldest but not the youngest by a long shot! but I started with bikes late!) I had never riden a bike before I turned 23 but I had been driving since 17 (actualy before but road wise 17!)

and in them years I learnt alot about using the roads in gerneral! when I stared with bikes I had an old NSR and had this for a year, learnt the basics of riding along with my road sence already gained and recently passed my test then bought a CBR6!

the CBR is a hugh jump from the NSR! I aint even tried to push the CBR and compaired to a R6 its a lot more forgiving!

my suggestion is:

get the NSR and start to learn to ride/use the roads! dont rush getting a big bike! For one the insurance will criple you! Once your comfortable on the NSR and SAFE (and this is the important part) do your test then look at bigger bikes!

and once you get your bigger bike start the whole process of learning the bike and all the fundamentals again! dont rush things as you will fall foul if you hurry these things, bikes are a lot more dangerouse than cars. Maybe not in the riding of them but the hazard perception of the rider and complantency of the rider of the bike!

also remeber until you can do your DAS (age 21) or untill 2 years after doing your bike licence you will be restricted to 33bhp (which is over less than half the power of the R6, if you restrict it! Wink )

whatever you decide to do! dont rush it, take your time, be carefull and remeber that you are far from invincible!

good luck in your riding and welcome to the fold!

all the best

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PostPosted: 06:10 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah same as above bad idea for first bike after an NSR, i'd go for a more laid back 600 like a cbr or thundercat.
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimboJ wrote:
i have 1 year and 4 months experience on bikes which i think is adequate to go onto a bigger bike, insurance for r6 is only a grand but thats only on 98 models which i couldnt find on autotrader when i looked


I think they came out in 99

Anways... firstly, (and I'll probably get flamed for this) why is everyone slating Jimbo? He is only sharing his opinion, which is what the author of this topic wanted right??

I think that you should keep the NSR for about a year and then move up to something bigger. As long as you are sensible, and ride to YOUR ability (not anyone elses ability on rideouts etc) an R6 is fine. It really is a good idea to get used to a 125 first though!!
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks dodd, it happens all every time fair enough they miss-understood the joke which i explained but who asked robby? not me
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimboJ wrote:
a: a turbo just accelerates the air into the engine as far as i can make out,


Hi

Turbo uses exhaust gas to spin a turbin, which is turn turns another turbine to compress the air into the engine. The problem is that when you crack open the throttle, the engine speeds up causing the turbo to spin up and then start to compress the air, making the engine spin faster. Of course for all this to happen there is quite a noticeable delay which on a bike makes throttle control on a corner rather difficult

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PostPosted: 12:37 - 22 Dec 2002    Post subject: Re: R6 for first bike Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
Firstly I'm saving up for an NSR 125 then I'm going to do my full test when I'm 18. Then I'm going to pay off my debts!! THEN I want a Yamaha R6. Is this a good choice of bike for someone who's not long passed their test? How much will I be paying for insurance? Taking into account that I will be 17/18? Will be grateful for any advice.


Hi

I would not go for an R6 straight after a 125. Get the NSR (or RS, or Mito, or TZR, or etc) and learn to ride and pass your test. Once you are sorted derestrict the 125 into a bike that will have a reasonable amount of go and ride that for a couple of months then try a bigger bike such as a 400 or one of the more restrained 600s (they are all going to have far more power than you can use 99% of the time).

The R6 would cost a fortune to insure, would be really nickable and as someone else has already mentioned would not crash well. I was in a breakers a couple of months back where they had just got an R1 in. Not badly damanged, but a write off. Dented tank, busted headlight, bent subframe, scratched exhaust (which had then pushed in an put a small ding in the swinging arm), but nothing too major

By the way, I had done something like 27000 miles on a bike before I passed my test (in about 21 months).

All the best

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PostPosted: 01:48 - 24 Dec 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I passed my test and am looking at a 600.

I wouldn't go for an R6 even tho' I love them as I know it is a VERY unforgiving bike.

I think you need to get a little experience before jumping on a monster like this.

Imagine passing your car test in a 1972 mini 1.1 and then getting let loose in a F1 racing car!!! It ai'nt going to be safe!!

I think a modest 600 - gsxf, BANDIT, XJ etc... is more than powerful enough for a first 'big bike'

Bugger me, the CB500 I did my test on was great for the motorway at 80 today(straight after the test) and still has a fair bit left in reserve!!!
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