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PostPosted: 22:51 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Police impounding vehicles with (alledgedly) no insurance? Reply with quote

Reet my dads just told me he had one of his cars impounded this week because the police checked the car wasnt insured. However he has fully comp on another car which lets him drive any car 3rd party.

A colleague at work also had his car impounded before xmas, even though he was insured. Reason being hes got an unusual name and the "middle" was missing off the insurance certificate so didnt match his licence or something...

Both produced their papers but have been hit in the wallet by recovery and storage charges.

Just wondering how they can do this? Im all for getting uninsured drivers off the road and stuff but surely this is having a laugh?

It's done and dusted now but for future reference and other motorists, dunno but if the police have towed a car off in error is there anyway to get the charges back?
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Re: Police impounding vehicles with (alledgedly) no insuranc Reply with quote

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Reet my dads just told me he had one of his cars impounded this week because the police checked the car wasnt insured. However he has fully comp on another car which lets him drive any car 3rd party.

Yeah which on the surface seems correct.

To use the 3rd party on another vehicle, that vehicle needs to be insured itself, by himself or by someone who has given him permission to drive it.

So by the sounds of it, it wasn't insured.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he said ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Thumbs Up

If it's found to be fully insured you shouldn't incur any charges for the mistake. Should be able to claim for the charges.


There has got to be some margin for error because you can insure a car over the phone/internet and be covered straight away, it will take a while for it to be on the police insurance database.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B is quite correct in what he says..

I have FC on my TVR but cannot drive my Discovery 3rd party, however, i can drive any other vehicle which is insured. I will have to insure it seperate or get a multi car policy.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Re: Police impounding vehicles with (alledgedly) no insuranc Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Gmanxiii wrote:
Reet my dads just told me he had one of his cars impounded this week because the police checked the car wasnt insured. However he has fully comp on another car which lets him drive any car 3rd party.

Yeah which on the surface seems correct.

To use the 3rd party on another vehicle, that vehicle needs to be insured itself, by himself or by someone who has given him permission to drive it.

So by the sounds of it, it wasn't insured.


Fair enough but if you was to hit someone surely it'd be your own insurance that gets hit not the owner of the vehicle which kind of makes that pointless? Also with regards to permission to drive it by someone else, if the car is registered to a particular person that is not proof of ownership, i've been insured as the main driver on cars registered to my step mum before. How can they prove the vehicle is or isnt yours to give permission to drive?
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've missed the point 'Gman'

EACH vehicle has to be insured on the database.

Example

I own a TVR which is insured F/Comp.... I also own a Discovery which is of the road un insured but registered to me. I cannot drive the Disco on my insurance BUT if my brother insured it 3rd party then my insurance would allow me to drive it 3rd party also even though I own it.......its because the Disco would have been insured.

The reason it is done like this is to stop people like your dad doing what he's done.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i lent my Discovery to your dad knowing he had not insured it himself 'I' to would be prosecuted under the 'USE, CAUSE & PERMIT' laws because i have permitted him to drive it knowing its not insured.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every car needs to be insured, before anybody else can touch it on their own policy, that's what I mean, there are no ifs or buts to quote a very well known advert.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok cheers i see fair enough it was a misinterpretation and didnt know that all cars had to be insured on the database... Does seem abit daft due to the previous point i made about your own insurance policy taking the hit if you hit someone rather than the owners policy.

How about my colleagues situation then? He was genuinely insured?
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding your colleague, he should be reinbursed without question.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know by whom? i dont think hes followed it up as he wasnt sure where to go? They wasnt very helpful at the station...
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 10 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also they didnt mention anything to my dad about prosecuting him, they just told him where he could pick his car up from... Should he be expecting anything in the post?
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PostPosted: 03:07 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, on most policies it specifically states either on the policy statement or certificate or in the terms and conditions that in order to drive another vehicle third party only not owned by you, it must be insured by it's owner.

However, my current insurance policy simply says that I am insured to ride any bike not owned to me, nowhere on any of the paperwork anywhere does it say it has to be insured by it's owner.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny GSX-R wrote:
You've missed the point 'Gman'
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why oh why do you always put people's handles in quote marks, you've been doing it since 05 (since I joined) and I'm just curious.
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

His insurance may very well cover him to drive any vehicle whether it's insured in itself or not - it all depends on the wording of the policy.

*However*, this insurance only applies while you're driving the car. So as soon as you park it up, the insurance doesn't apply, and the car is being kept on the road uninsured which is illegal (not sure why, think it's incase it kills some kittens whilst parked up).
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnny GSX-R wrote:
The reason it is done like this is to stop people like your dad doing what he's done.


Or taking it a stage further by buying and insuring a very cheap motor and then driving a very expensive one on the 3rd party. I know of several people who used to do this.

I still know one person who puts all his bikes bar an old CB125 in his girlfriend's name then rides them on the 3rd party bit of his insurance for the CB, including his harley. I think he's a cock and taking a big risk, and tell him so regularly but unfortunately I suspect he's going to learn the hard way........

I seem to remember someone saying that even if it doesn't have its "own" insurance the vehicle is legally covered whilst you are actually in it and driving, however the moment you step out of it it becomes uninsured again and it is therefore an offence for it to be on the road.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Johnny GSX-R wrote:
You've missed the point 'Gman'
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why oh why do you always put people's handles in quote marks, you've been doing it since 05 (since I joined) and I'm just curious.


Because 'ITCHY' it is something 'I' do.

I also put many ...................... after many sentences.

BUT i still won't ride a bike with bent handlebars Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Johnny GSX-R wrote:
You've missed the point 'Gman'
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why oh why do you always put people's handles in quote marks, you've been doing it since 05 (since I joined) and I'm just curious.


Maybe its because most user names are not real names, and fake things usually go in quote marks, has that enlightened you "itchy".
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh thank heavens "the_guvnor_1_uk" of 'Community Thread Advisory Service' '@bcf' came to the rescue there. Razz Laughing .......
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
You better know it!....And in response to your PM, yes I will shoot in your mouth while you are eating your frosties..............does that mean you will marry me?


You just reminded me of a story....

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You let me watch you, The Boi Shaun and Robby the Jobby 'get it on' first.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will you two get a room FFS!

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PostPosted: 21:11 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:51 - 12 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBassJunky wrote:
His insurance may very well cover him to drive any vehicle whether it's insured in itself or not - it all depends on the wording of the policy.

*However*, this insurance only applies while you're driving the car. So as soon as you park it up, the insurance doesn't apply, and the car is being kept on the road uninsured which is illegal (not sure why, think it's incase it kills some kittens whilst parked up).


Johnny, I noticed you disagreed with my post - why is this?

The fact is that some (although admittedly not many) insurance policies do cover you to drive a vehicle that's not insured in itself, as long as it's not owned by you. Notably trader policies.

And it is illegal to keep an uninsured car on the road.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 12 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm and I have not been paying attention and posted pretty much the same thing underneath TheBassJunky and you have agreed with me........... Confused
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