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PostPosted: 10:42 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: crash bungs worth it? Reply with quote

got the bike booked in on sat to get goodridge braided hoses fitted front and rear. wondering whether its worth getting crash bungs put on while its there. I dont know much about them or how they attach - are they very noticeable ie. do the ruin the lines of the bike? do they need cutting or drilling to fit? i guess these are questions for the dealer. overall is it worth getting done?
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

there have been a fair few threads on the pros and cons. Try having a search. Wink

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=135879&highlight=crash+bungs
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth it? On balance, yes...

...but G will along any minute to tell you that the additional weight on the side of the bike causes it to drop faster in a crash, aim itself at a kerb and the propel the bike fifty feet in the air Wink
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
Worth it? On balance, yes...



And I'd say no. I'd rather scuff up some plastics than risk ripping an engine mount off. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Silver wrote:
Worth it? On balance, yes...



And I'd say no. I'd rather scuff up some plastics than risk ripping an engine mount off. Wink


A lot of them use a secondary bracket, so the engine bolt holds the bracket, which holds the bung on a separate bolt, meaning the bracket will bend long before the engine mount. This, along with the need for drilling varies between bung manufacturer and bike model.

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me they're totally worth it. The only road bike I ever binned was the one that I hadn't blown loads of cash on fancy crash bungs for. All the ones where I have forked out I've not had so much as a 2mph topple.

It's witchcraft.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Silver wrote:
Worth it? On balance, yes...



And I'd say no. I'd rather scuff up some plastics than risk ripping an engine mount off. Wink


I've never heard of an engine mount being ripped off... I've heard of engine mount holes requiring helicoiling, and I've heard of mushrooms bending and denting the engine mount or damaging bodywork.

Personally I think you need to look at the mounting for a particular bike and make a judgement based upon what type of crash you are likely to have. The mounts on the Buell were such that it would protect the bike in a low speed crash, and if the speed was high enough the whole bar would get ripped off, damaging only the R and G mounts.

Similarly for the FireBlade, I've no doubt that R and G's would have prevented much of the damage that occurred, if only that they would have kept the clip ons from touching the floor.

Still, I'm very tempted by a crash cage of the sort that stunters use. I've seen one that doesn't affect ground clearance too much (not enough for me to care anyway) and I'm leaning towards ordering it. The main downside of course being that it will have to come from the US and I may have to pay duty on it.

Still, it looks to provide better protection than simple mushrooms...
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
For me they're totally worth it. The only road bike I ever binned was the one that I hadn't blown loads of cash on fancy crash bungs for. All the ones where I have forked out I've not had so much as a 2mph topple.

It's witchcraft.


There is definately that element to it...!
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The main downside of course being that it will have to come from the US and I may have to pay duty on it.



not if they label it as a 'gift'
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
not if they label it as a 'gift'


A) it hardly ever works these days, and it means customs are more likely to examine it

b) if every package exported from the US from a particular company has 'gift' written on it, even US customs might be a little suspicious, despite the fact that they are american. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
colin1 wrote:
not if they label it as a 'gift'


A) it hardly ever works these days, and it means customs are more likely to examine it

b) if every package exported from the US from a particular company has 'gift' written on it, even US customs might be a little suspicious, despite the fact that they are american. Rolling Eyes


I get a fair bit of stuff from yankie land and it has all came over labeled 'gift' fine.


Back to crash bungs,


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I have no doubt it would have been much worse without them.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
You get used to seeing them.
Even dropping the bike off the stupid side stand will be less tearful. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
And I'd say no. I'd rather scuff up some plastics than risk ripping an engine mount off. Wink


If the crash is only enough to "scuff up some plastics" then how on earth was it going to rip an engine mount off? Wink

Besides, they're designed to bend so that doesn't happen. Saved me a small fortune in my highside. For example, I needed to replace one small sticker on my main fairing (rather than the whole thing). And the best part - I sent all the pictures and video to R&G and they sent me replacement bungs free! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:
And I'd say no. I'd rather scuff up some plastics than risk ripping an engine mount off. Wink


If the crash is only enough to "scuff up some plastics" then how on earth was it going to rip an engine mount off? Wink

Besides, they're designed to bend so that doesn't happen. Saved me a small fortune in my highside. For example, I needed to replace one small sticker on my main fairing (rather than the whole thing). And the best part - I sent all the pictures and video to R&G and they sent me replacement bungs free! Very Happy


You R&G Bung Licker you..... Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't Andy C crash and the only thing intact on his SV was the crash bung? ,

But I think its more a case of cannot protect against all impacts,

I had thoughts on my 100+ crash,

It would have saved :

The mirror £10
Clutch lever £7
Clip on £8
generator cover £15

They wouldn't have saved the snapped swingarm of crushed exhaust system though.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

crash bungs are brilliant when you drop the bike, ive dropped mine twice, and no damage done to the bike from the fall (except when the mirror caught onto a wall but there was no way to stop that)

cant imagine it helping much in a collision but i'd think it would be quite useful on a lowslide where the bungs would take a lot of the impact.

my bike came with them already on it so dont know how expensive they are or how hard it is to add.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 19 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver wrote:

If the crash is only enough to "scuff up some plastics" then how on earth was it going to rip an engine mount off? Wink



Because theres nothing sticking out to catch on anything. Thumbs Up

It also depends what your defenition of scuffed is. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Silver wrote:

If the crash is only enough to "scuff up some plastics" then how on earth was it going to rip an engine mount off? Wink



Because theres nothing sticking out to catch on anything. Thumbs Up

It also depends what your defenition of scuffed is. Wink


Then again without crash bungs you stand a far greater chance of going through your engine casings.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then again without crash bungs you stand a far greater chance of going through your engine casings.


Exactly, look at the number of crashes where clutch covers etc. end up with gaping holes in them. The recovery fee would cost more than a set of bungs.

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PostPosted: 10:27 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack_Cheese wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
Then again without crash bungs you stand a far greater chance of going through your engine casings.


Exactly, look at the number of crashes where clutch covers etc. end up with gaping holes in them. The recovery fee would cost more than a set of bungs.

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PostPosted: 12:41 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

How effective they are depends very much on the type of crash that you have and their design. A low speed drop will mean that they are worth their weight in gold. A higher speed spill and they can cause engine mount damage (I have seen it more than once).

The R&G's for the SV mount onto a seperate bracket that mounts to the frame on 2 engine mounts, this should mean that you avoid any frame damage. There is no drilling needed on the SV, even if you have the full fairing.

Basically, you pays your money and you takes your chances.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
OE covers are made of cheese and last about 20 metres in contact with the road. Laughing


I don't for one minute believe they could getaway with that.

If they did that then wouldn't there have to be a 'Use Before .....' stamp or something?

All those bikes parked up in cotton balls over winter would be illegal then.....
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
OE covers are made of cheese and last about 20 metres in contact with the road. Laughing


I don't for one minute believe they could getaway with that.

If they did that then wouldn't there have to be a 'Use Before .....' stamp or something?

All those bikes parked up in cotton balls over winter would be illegal then.....


Confused

Intriguing... nonsense but intriguing Laughing

As for me, bungs don't stop all damage but they let you ride it home. Look at it like that. Both my spills with bungs i've ridden home happily (although on one i had no footpeg on the gear side, thats fun Laughing) and i know i wouldn't of otherwise.
And one of them chewed a good few mm out of the gen casing even with the bung, so it definitely would of been new cover, gen and god knows how much shite in the engine.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all the replies. called the dealer - they sell r&g's for £90 plus fitting 1hr at £60/hr. i dont know if i could fit them myself but they said the sv650s doesnt require anything invasive like cutting or drilling. anyway they dont have any in stock and cant get any before sat when i have the bike booked in for the brakelines so i'll probably let it go until the next service.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 20 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends if you're going t' fall off really, doesn't it? Smile
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