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| JonB |
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 JonB Afraid of Mileage

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 Posted: 17:04 - 26 Feb 2008 Post subject: Your opinions on the UK highways system. |
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What are your thoughts on the roads you drive and ride on today, have they got worse over time?
I've noticed especially on motorways that the inside lane is becoming almost unusable for both cars and bikes now due to the deepening grooves created by the huge amount of lorries that travel on these busy stretches everyday. I remember the M3 being quite bad at one point and now the M5 is really bad in places.
Now, lorries are an important instrument to keeping Britain running and so must stay on the roads, but surely there should be some investment on the main arteries of the highway? Another thing that gripes me about this is that since the expansion of the EU, the amount of lorries that are not from UK is almost at a 70/30 (with the 30% being foreign lorries) split I reckon now, yet they pay no taxes whatsoever to the road system apart from at the pumps, yet if our lorries are to go to mainland Europe they have to pay tolls? This isn't fair considering it's the extra lorries on the road which are causing the motorways to become in disrepair.
Why should we be moaning about the motorways? Because new countries in the EU get huge funding from the EU commitee for road building, go to Spain or Portugal and look at the roads there, beautifully tarmacced a dream to drive on, yet Britain is a huge contributor to the EU and we get naff all (The less said about the railways the better).
Off the motorways and what do you see? Potholes literally everywhere, now a lot of this is down to council management of the roads, but it is becoming disgusting, there has got to be statistics somewhere that prove that suspensions are being replaced much earlier.
TBH, riding on some of the roads now must surely be deadly to be riding on a bike, luckily our favourite roads are in the country where there is less traffic.
When Labour came to power in 1997 they pretty much scrapped all new roadbuilding schemes to save money, yet duty on pretty much everything road based has risen. IF they was SERIOUS about prohibiting climate change, surely improvements to the roads and infrastructure would do far more than taxing high polluting vehicles. Go on some of the major motorways today, the M6 around Birmingham is a nightmare, even after the M6Toll was introduced and the other day on the M40 towards London traffic was really heavy, and lets never forget the car park that is the M25 around Heathrow.
To me it seems like roadbuilding kinda stopped in the 1970's and now we are stuck with probably the worst roads in Europe and it seems there is going to be no improvement whatsoever. In the 1960's no-one batted an eyelid to knock down some trees and houses to build new motorways, now to get a bypass installed it takes 10 years of planning and protests from NIMBY's.
As we are all users of the road system you are bound to have your own opinions, i'd be interested to hear the stories from some of the more mature members who used the roads back 10/20 years ago to see if the roads really have got that bad.  ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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They are not too bad, yes in places they need attention to get rid of the pot holes, and one of the biggest issues the dammed humps that appear at bus stops in hot weather..... ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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More traffic on the roads, lets go offroad.  |
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 Posted: 23:55 - 26 Feb 2008 Post subject: Re: Your opinions on the UK highways system. |
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| Jon B wrote: | What are your thoughts on the roads you drive and ride on today, have they got worse over time? |
Generally worse.
M6 near side lane is a mess. Basically too much traffic.
In theory the modern heavy lorries should give the road an easier time as they have more wheels to spread the load around.
| Jon B wrote: | Off the motorways and what do you see? Potholes literally everywhere, now a lot of this is down to council management of the roads, but it is becoming disgusting, there has got to be statistics somewhere that prove that suspensions are being replaced much earlier. |
Don't think they care. Has even been defended by local politicians as a cheap form of traffic calming.
| Jon B wrote: | When Labour came to power in 1997 they pretty much scrapped all new roadbuilding schemes to save money, yet duty on pretty much everything road based has risen. |
Bad thing is that the road building program had already been cut back heavily before labour came in and pretty much killed it off.
France has about the same population as the UK. In the late 90s their planned new motorways (on top of a network that was already far longer than ours) was more than the UKs total existing and planned network.
| Jon B wrote: | Go on some of the major motorways today, the M6 around Birmingham is a nightmare, even after the M6Toll was introduced |
Turn the M6Toll into a normal motorway and it would help the congestion on the M6. Would also make some sense of the rediculous situation where the M6 gives way the the M6 Toll where they join, when the M6 carries far more traffic.
| deanoet wrote: | I would love to see how much they get in taxes from Petrol and Road tax a year, and how much of it actually goes back into improving the roads / public transport so less people use their own cars and reduce pollution which is apparently what they want |
Not sure on exact current figures. Very roughly £5b spent on the roads and £40b collected from road users were the last figures I heard (likely to be a fair amount higher with the VAT take going up to to rising petrol prices).
All the best
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 chris-red Have you considered a TDM?

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| Noxious89123 wrote: | Fuck cyclists. They are a fucking nuisance on the road. |
O RLY.
Seems to me that we complain about cars treating bikers like shit, because we're more vulnerable than them, but its OK for us to treat cyclists like shit, because they're more vulnerable than us. Grow a brain.
Back on topic:
I have to say that the majority of Motorways that I use are in decent nick. Sure you get furrows in the nearside lane from the trucks, but mostly they are fine.
Urban streets are, on the most part, abominable. Too many fuckers digging them up for cabling, pipework etc, and not repairing them correctly is certainly a key factor. I believe they deregulated the process for companies (electric, gas, cable tv etc) to get permission to do so a few years back, which has clearly contributed to this.
However, I can only think of one small section of road which has been resurfaced in my area since I have lived here, and there are many, many more which need it. Trouble is, its so far down the scale of importance we have gone past the tipping point now. Billions would be required to sort stuff out, and that just is not going to happen.
The councils are supposed to repair potholes when reported, and they do, but they do it cheaply and hence it lasts only a few weeks before the pothole is back.
Around here they have a nasty habit of 'resurfacing' by spreading tar and then sharp gravel on the road, again a cheapo quick fix.
Let's not get me started on salt - I really can't wait to see the back of that shit.
Just to finally say that we also are posed a bit of a problem in the UK with our climate - generally we do get several deep frosts each year which certainly contributes to the decay, which is not the case in France/Spain etc.
But yeah, it does suck dick. |
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https://www.fillthathole.org.uk/
A cyclist website where you report it to them and they report it to whoever is reponsible ..potholes that is. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 47 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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