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Im aware of all the options, obviously if i bought a bike from the garage and when I came to collect it it would be on a trailor, would they have any right to refuse me to take the bike?
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Pointless getting it dyno'ed as the police will just take it away to be tested if they want to..... ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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There is NOTHING written anywhere that says you have to even have a provisional licence to own a bike, let alone a Class A/A2.
Just ask them do they want to make a sale or don't they?
Any hassle tell them that the FI certificates are not considered legal proof in this Country because any fool can remove their kit.  ____________________ Kal...
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| iooi wrote: | | Big_Ham wrote: | Some insurance companies want a dyno printout/certificate.
There's no part of the law that states you need a certificate. Just ask them to find the relevent piece of law and show it to you. |
But if you only have a restricted licence then a ins co would be withing their rights to ask for one, law would not come into that. If you could not supply one then they could simply refuse to ins you.
Bit of a grey area as a dyno could be fudged, or a certificate forged. I guess they are then covering their backs should you have a shunt, they can then simply walk away quids in, if they check and its not got a kit fitted.
To be honest this whole restricted thing is a joke and a bodge job. It should simply have been based on the bikes producing the power output as std and not as now where you can fit them to anything. |
I don't think even that would work. The problem is there are police officers who don't even recognise bigger bikes.
A friend on a XJ900 got pulled, because the officer thought he should have L plates.
Even without that kind of a scenario, what is to stop someone modding their bike to get more power out of it than a stock bike? Not to mention the fact that numerous imports have different power ratings/restrictions, so you end up with one model and about 20 variants of it.
It can be hard enough trying to figure out the model of your own bike in some instances let alone having someone who isn't familiar with your bike or even bikes in general dealing with it.
The only real way I can think of having enforceable laws regarding this is to not have a restricted license at all, but then that would obviously defy the point of it being introduced in the first place. ____________________ Bikes: 1998 Honda VFR800Fi, 26,500 miles
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if its just the intake restriction in your bike, the shop i work for will get the kit and fit it for you for £200 ALL IN!!! we are in york so i suppose its not much use to you is it? ____________________ Soo close to buying a 748 Biposto
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Ok I also need the answer to the poster's question because when going to purchase a bike at my local dealers they bullshit me also about having to deduct "about £300" for restrictors which I just laughed at him for.
So, does anyone have any suggestions on how to combat this?
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| EddyJones wrote: | and is there any way to shut them up quickly?
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Yes, Say you dont appreciate being screwed over because you are a new biker give them the and walk out the door with your money and find another bike...
If they are trying to screw you like this over something as petty as a restrictor why even buy from a dealer as their aftersales are likely to be shit.
I would say dont restrict it, If and when you get a producer asking to see proof of restriction, find a friendly mechanic slip him 10/20 quid and ask him to type, on headed paper that your bike was fitted with (insert washer part number) on (insert date) restricting your bike to 33hp, that has worked for me.
The one thing people seem to forget is that you dont need to prove you are restricted to the smarmy traffic police that just stoped you, you 'prove' it to an administrator at your police station of choice, who likely knows nothing about the 33bhp laws, let alone bikes...
Also for them to goto the extent of dyno'ing your bike, you are pretty much gonna have to wheelie past a police station, killing a few children, kittens and minorities in the process. That or when they ask if you are restricted start sniggering as you say yes...
Be sensible about it, the only real concern should be if you crash and the insurance company find out the bike was not restricted your insurance would be void, but then you would usually have a couple of days before the inspectors came to look at the bike in which you could fit washers...
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Went to Suzuki Castledines today (forgot to get my book stamped when i had it serviced >_<).
Asked the mechanic about restriction, says thy can do it for most bikes for about £100~£150 bepending on he bike. he also said thy can restrict a CB500 for about 50p because they have a simple way of doing it. Something about "inlet stubs", that have "33bhp" stamped on them...
Also fitted me a new headlight bulb, free of charge (Although i *did* have it serviced th day before. But still!) ____________________
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Heard the stories about them being the only company to get them as they are the only legal way over and over - to the stage i cant be bothered arguing my point against them.
Fair enough, FI have put the work into making the washers to restrict the bike down to 33bhp, But they are charging the dealers ~£100 per 'kit' (Whether that be 1 washer, 4 or whatever) then the P+P and labour on top of that.
Wonder how FI would feel if mechanics all over the country were to measure the kits before they were fitted and they contributed the dimensions to ebay for a few £ to cover listing fee's (All you would need to do then is use the dimensions yourself or have an engineer make the washer(s) up and fit them, Perhaps a run on the dyno for proof?) ____________________ www.oldskoolsuzuki.info |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 38 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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