a nuclear what if...

virus · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Karma :

what if Iran was given a nuke?

I honestly think that it would be good, in theory it should make America shut the fuck up and wind there neck in.

nuclear stand-off i probably the best way to stop war i think.

opinions?

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Yoko · Brolly Dolly Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Karma :

Having long range tactical nuclear weapons just stops other people using theirs on you.

Agreed the yanks need to wind their neck in and sooner or later the shits gonna hit the fan and it aint gonna be pretty.

I'd like to see them put in their place but there is always going to be someone at the top of the pecking order and its better for us that it's someone who likes us than someone who doesnt.

I think if it did kick off between two heavy weights it would be pretty messy unless you're in the International Space Station Laughing

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Hetzer · Super Spammer Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Karma :

The problem is the islamist fundamentalists think life happens after death, so they wouldn't feel they had much to lose in a nuclear conflagration. Them having nukes would be like...a suicide-bomber having Semtex. Shocked

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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Even if they did have one. Two important points:

1) They can't get it to anywhere outside the middle East, no delivery system.

2) They live next door to Israel who have LOTS of nukes and aren't afraid to use them.

It a matter of historical fact that Israel at one point had 13 thermonuclear weapons (not pansy fission bombs like Iran are after) slung under aeroplanes with pilots in the seats and the engines running while being hot refueled. They were ready to wipe Egypt off the face of the map.
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Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

So what now Iran is a country of complete fanatics? ,

People are more alike than you reckon , the government does things we don't like but should we as a population as a whole be condemned for the actions of our scummy government ? , no?

And anyway it is a question of economics! ,

Iran gets nuclear power , it can sell almost all of the stuff it consumes domestically , in Euros , it does this the US$ , becomes even more worthless on the open market.
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

Interesting idea.

It would certainly level the playing field, and you might see Iran getting a bit more time to put its own point across in the news - countries gain a bit of international respect when they have a nuke.

They are a stable country too, so I wouldn't expect them to go launching their nuke at Israel, which would be a bit of a problem.

and as said, it would allow them to start trading in euros, and therefore push the weak US economy over the edge. Would be a good reason for us to get in on the single currency too, but it looks like if this EU constitution thing comes in thats only a matter of time.

I just hope that America doesn't declare war on them before they get a nuke, that would make a horrible mess.

Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

Well there is another theory though that the US government is getting into tons of debt on purpose, (its not my theory)

In that if you think about it the US has a huge military, and can grow surplus food to its own requirements, thus when creditors want the debt back ,the US government can say make me.

The theory goes as such , with all 'enemy' powers owning masses of US debt, if they keep making more debt , and sometime around 2011-2015 renege on it.

This would cause a deep US recession for USD would be worthless on the money markets years which would be very harsh and kill millions of people in the US generally the poor, for 5-10 years.

This would have various side effects China would implode and its economy would be toast, all the USD it is holding would suddenly become just paper, and all the gold it has exchanged for USD would be in the US. China would be set back 50-100 years economically , especially since they have to import alot of their food, and there would be huge civil disorder as factories supplying the US/EU shut. (remember in such a situation Europe is also toast)

The king of the rubble heap would be the US,

How realistic this is depends on how many of its own citizens its willing to kill.

Though as said this isn't my theory.
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virus · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Karma :

I suppose the issue of trust is a big one, but i think it would make America behave, then again of it does come to a nuclear war, then America will probably win, to be honest i think the Russians will be next to 'rule the world' as it would be.

for example the British had an empire kinda thing, now its the yanks turn, but the Russians have got a much better air force, not enough cash to keep it all floating but everyone knows that if a standoff happened between a su33 flanker and the yanks F-22 Raptor, the flanker would blow it out of the sky, same a a hind would wipe out an apache any day with a well trained pilot.

I think the Russians should get nukes, ok they probably already have but maybe if they could afford to flex there military arm a bit more then America would wind its neck in.

JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

The Russians have more nukes than every country in the world bar the USA.

In fact the USA, fucked over the USSR during the SALT talks of the 70's and 80's promising disarnament, the USSR destroyed almost three quarters of their arsenal, still leaving enough to destroy the world a few times over, the USA only destroyed a quarter.

Nuclear weapons are so pointless, if one ever gets launched there will ALWAYS be a retaliate attack, the world and civilisation over in a few hours.

It's a button to self destruct. Simple as.

I think the British empire, american empire thing is a bit overblown.

Britain had a HUGE empire, we were the first properly industrialised country in the world, if there hadn't been two world wars this century our country would be a hyperpower, not a minority power in a superpower utopia of the EU.

The American's are shooting themselves in the foot somewhat, on their banks notes they have something about freedom from oppression on them dating back to the American war for independence in the 18th century, yet now they are becoming more and more imperialist in nature.

You can't blame America for this. It is Europe's fault, if we didn't self destruct in the 1940's, we still would have been the most powerful. The USA set out with very good intentions, they were picking up the pieces from World War II, gave shitloads of USD out to rebuild Europe, mainly to protect them from the evils of communism, whereas the USSR as seen in Eastern Europe weren't bothered about rebuilding and development.

The fundamental problem in it all is that Congress in the US changed in the 1970's, giving more power to the president and the military. You give the military power and you get the nasty consequences, which is what we are experiencing now. The USA used to be pacifist in nature, only joining in if they really had too, i.e Pearl Harbour. Of course they had allies, the UK wouldn't have won either WW1 or 2 without US money and arms, but generally didn't want to fight, they were happy by themselves in N.America.

The New World Order and subsequent globalisation stems from this, in one vein purists would see the USA as protectors of the modern world, seeing as they had to pick up the rest of the world, they had Nuclear weapons before anybody else, they only used them in Japan, to save more US soldiers lives, yes they killed millions of civilians, but the war would have gone on much longer without it. However I firmly believe in the cold war they would never have been the agressors to a nuclear war, the unstable USSR, or Mao's china was going to provide the spark.

Do you know what the great Chairman Mao said to Khrushchev at a conference in 1958?

"We could launch some missiles at the USA, yes we will probably lose half our population, but half of them will still be alive to make sure the victory of communism is ensured." Think yourself lucky Mao didn't have nuclear arsenal at this time. Is also one reason why the USSR were reluctant to give China the instructions on making the bomb.

Ha, here's another thing. When the Sino-Soviet conflict took place in 1960's the USSR shredded all the instructions for the Chinese on how to build a nuclear bomb. The Chinese actually pieced these shreds together and made a bomb two years later! Shocked

OK, now I feel like i'm writing an essay, forgive me I was writing an essay on the Sino-Soviet conflict this morning. Embarassed

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JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

There were skirmishes along the USSR/China border throughout the 60's. In fact the closest they got to nuclear war was at the peak of the Sino-Soviet conflict when they actually pointed their nukes at each other.

Mao didn't care about the people anyway, his Great Leap Forward and the death of millions from starvation proved it.
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Did you know that Mao was helped into power by the Western elite banking cartels? He was the annointed one, with certain policies already agreed before he took power.
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JonB · Afraid of Mileage Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Karma :

Can't say it has come up in my China module, as far as we have read and been told, the USA supported the GMD and Chiang Kaishek, who subsequently fled to Taiwan after the creation of the PRC under Mao in 1949. Smile

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Skudd · Super Spammer Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Karma :

Send in the Wombles and they could tidy up the world.
No matter how much we debate it WE will only be the fall out. The expendable ones. No matter who you vote for the outcome will be the same. You can debate history, religion, finance, ethics, or whatever. The truth is we will never know who what or why when it does happen. It's like debating about walking on the sun, it may happen one day but we will never see it.
When the button is pressed the guys in the mud huts and walk for 3 miles for their water will be the new super powers because we can't even catch, kill, skin and cook a rabbit.
Mind you when the shit does hit the fan all the bloody Poles, Indians, Nigerians will sod off.
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craigie b · Citizen Smith Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Karma :

I sat with an Iranian family in Pizza Hut two weeks ago waiting for my order. Made me realise all Iranians are not mental, suicide, Allah chanting maniacs.

I also met a lap dancer who was Muslim. Damn she was hot.
I'm now of the opinion it isn't Muslims that are the problem. Its poverty and anger in piss poor nations that drives teh people to hatred and they then use religion (aka Islam) as the means to express their anger.

I doubt if Iran even had a nuke it would make one bit of difference to the world power play, except create public support for another war against those evil muslims.

I think evil Arabs is probably a far more accurate term than muslims as it seems to be the middle eastern nations that breed the extremists. Moderate Islamic nations (such as malaysia) are to economically dependant on foreign investment and 'westernisation' of their ways of life to get bogged down by backward religious laws. Arab states are not bound by the same financial laws. Their oil means the rulers can do as they choose whilst western nations turn a blind eye.

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Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

I did say probably...

But diesel subs thing isn't an isolated incident its been going on for a while

DAILY MAIL ALERT!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811

https://www.sinodaily.com/reports/Chinese_Sub_Approached_US_Aircraft_Carrier_Undetected_999.html

three incidents (the other one being a South African sub) and diesel , electric subs are supposed to
be obselete too to boot.
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