That copper that died on Snowdon? Yeah, he led an inquest

[colin1]

well we could do something about it, but we wont. Its more interest than anything. Trying to work out what's really going on rather than just taking the line which we are supposed to hear.

Sometimes I stay up late and sometimes hear bbc reports before they get moderated. Often when a breaking story comes in, it will just be from the correspondent before an editor decides we cant say that.

Often completely different spin can be put on the same event.

A typical one was several months ago, reports were coming in that american marines took revenge on the local populace after an IED had killed their buddies.

Then this story changed to a house full of insurgents had got killed when marines found the culprits who killed their buddies.

Then a film appeared on the internet by some iraqi of the bodies from the aftermath and they included women and children.

Eventually America admitted that women and children had got killed.

The interesting thing was not that Marines flipped out when their buddies got killed, but that the bbc would intially take a line of truth, and then moderate it so they didnt get criticised, before the truth coming out anyway.

Another angle was the line that muslim fundamentalists who promoted opposition to things that they thought were unjust was classed as 'hatred'. So muslims promoting supporting the palestinians struggle against occupation was actually anti-semitism.

Muslims in a mosque were asked by a bbc radio reporter if they supported the promoting of hatred in their mosque. They eventually agreed that they did not support promoting 'hatred'.

The accusation of promoting hatred, is oddly similar to the term' thought crime' from Orwells 1984.

Im not sure where reporters take these cues from, whether its editors, swallowing whole our governments take on things, or what, but the media is so flawed in presenting a version of the world that reflects reality, its good to try to piece something together yourself.

A lot of things cant be said even if they are believed to be true, as they cant be proven.

Jeffrey Archer successfully sued and won when someone accused him of a crime, that he had done, but claimed he hadnt.

He did get rumbled in the end, but most journalists wont report what they cant prove.
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[ColdInsomnia]

As long as we're using "far fetched examples" I could just as easily write a long-winded example about how once the technology exists for them to survive without our support, the upper classes will kill us all off and keep the entire planet for themselves.



But no, I won't use far fetched examples. God knows what I have to do with white supremacy, either. If you must know, I'm a member of UKIP.

I have no problem with trading with Europe - but don't kid yourself, the EU needs Britain a hell of a lot more than Britain needs the EU. Why do you think Britain pumps so much money in to the EU and gets so little back? Where would all the money hungry immigrants go, if they could not come here? Probably France, and Lord knows the French probably wouldn't put up with an infestation of immigrants on the scale that we have here.


The Commonwealth makes up over 20% of the world's trade, and 40% of the WTO. It includes such powerhouse economies as India. Why politicians assume that we need the EU in order to survive, is beyond me. We already have one of the world's strongest trade groups which makes up a total of over 1.6 billion people - 1/4 of the world's population.

Recently, the same parties that have been swindling us into the EU have been pursuing crazy borrow-fest budgets. Hell, even Darling only a few days ago announced more. In spite of eleven years of tax raises, we are still going to have £20bn more borrowing over the next four years. This government has one thing top of the list on it's agenda: The destruction of the Pound, and the subsequent public outcry to join the Euro.


But we need to look at the bigger picture;

Why are politicians so intent on forcing us into the EU?
Why is the fact that 75% of our laws come from Brussells, unknown to most of the populace in a democratic country?
Why are they so intent on destroying the pound?
Who is actually making money out of the British public?


These are all questions that I cannot answer. But what I can do, is take an educated guess based on what I've seen in history, and what I see happening in recent news. And it does not fare well at all. Politicians are not stupid people, it's their cunning and thirst for power that got them to that position in the first place.
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[ColdInsomnia]

[bazza]

[colin1]

With the EU, most of the time things aren't going to go our way, as we are only one member.

I still think we are better off in the EU to some extent for trade reasons and to influence things so we at least get our way some of the time, or can influence policy.

If we werent in the EU, we would still trade with the EU. At least when we are in it, we can influence things.
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[cestrian]

"With the EU, most of the time things aren't going to go our way, as we are only one member" - Colin

Fair comment.

"I still think we are better off in the EU to some extent for trade reasons and to influence things so we at least get our way some of the time, or can influence policy.
If we werent in the EU, we would still trade with the EU. At least when we are in it, we can influence things." - Colin

I'll have a glass of whatever he's drinking.

No offence intended.

Regards

[ColdInsomnia]

Bazza, are you ever actually going to, you know, debate with me instead of just posting cocky pictures with pseudo-intellectual comments?

If you want to play along with the 2 party system that we have, fine, enjoy your police state. America too.

How can this country call itself democratic when anyone who votes outside of labour / conservative is sneered at and ridiculed?
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John Lennon

[bazza]

[ColdInsomnia]

Just about the only thing that UKIP and the BNP have in common is that both want out of the EU.

Personally, I do not so much want *out* of the EU, I am more very weary of the reasons that politicians seem hellbent on forcing us in to it.

And yes, I do see a point in debating - I make an effort to enter any debate with an open mind and if presented with sufficient evidence I shall never hold any qualms about altering my opinion.

I agree with you that single-issue parties tend to attract nutters. However, I think EU membership is a very significant single-issue - one that needs far more attention that it is getting. And if UKIP were just a pressure group... well I'd bet that we'd already be using the Euro.


What I really like about UKIP though, is it's a libertarian party. They want less government interference in our lives. In today's nanny-state / police-state / big brother Britain, UKIP are in my opinion, possibly our last chance to ever retain some element of a true 'free' nation.

How you compare UKIP to the BNP really just shows how little you actually know about their policies.
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[bazza]

[ColdInsomnia]

[cestrian]

"EU membership costs each family in this country over £60 a week" - Nigel Farage MEP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_European_Parliament#Costs_and_Privileges

Despite what you read, British MEP's like Nigel Farage earn about £80,000 per year plus expenses. Nigel Farage seems to think that whilst he is working for Europe, he can pull Britain out of Europe becasue he is an MEP. He is either a nutter or a liar, you choose.

Regards

[killa]

Getting back to the topic....

For all those who doubt that there is anything at all strange with his death, do you think he simply, had to much and went for a long walk?
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[Hetzer]

Suicide by hypothermia is one of the better ways to go, by all accounts.
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[colin1]

I got mild hypothermia once, and I didnt find it that great, but i wasnt pissed.

I reckon best way to go would be really quick, with explosives to the head so that you are disintegrated before you feel anything.

Admittedly explosives are a bit difficult to come by.
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