Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Would this do this?

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:18 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Would this do this? Reply with quote

Right my GS500 has eaten a rear sprocket in 2000miles, it was completely fucked several teeth had snapped off. I have to adjust the chain every 200 or so miles.
I lube it everyweek, and the adjustment is correct. When I was lubing it the other day I noticed the swing arm has some play in it up and down. I assume a bearing has go or something, would this cause the chain to get mega Fux0rd.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

TUG
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 May 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:23 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad wheel bearings caused my calipers to seize. Its possible play will wear out a sprocet and chain fast. If its got play in it get some bearings ordered up and changes asap. As for the chain issue i cannot say but more than likely bad bearings wont help one bit.
____________________
Haz ER-5, innit!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

5v3d3b0
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Sep 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:45 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does your chain look like?
Lubing makes it worse if it's already dirty as fuck.
A worn chain wears out the sprockets and vice versa.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:46 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
If all other things apart from the swing-arm are ok it has to be the swing-arm bearings that caused it. Either that or an act of god. Laughing


I'm wondering if there was something defective with the C&S, I'll have to get that sorted sooner rather than later I guess. I'm fed up or wasting money on this heap, as soon as i think it's nearly sorted something else gets fucked.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:11 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Would this do this? Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I noticed the swing arm has some play in it up and down.

Thats what they are supposed to do.. Wink

sorry, couldn't resist Smile

Only time I've destroyed stuff that quick was because it was cheap crap.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:27 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Would this do this? Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
chris-red wrote:
I noticed the swing arm has some play in it up and down.

Thats what they are supposed to do.. Wink

sorry, couldn't resist Smile

Only time I've destroyed stuff that quick was because it was cheap crap.


This was what I was orginally thinking, I think I'll fix it and get geninueing suzuki C&S and hope it will work. Now I just need to sort out the broken tacho drive oil leak. The collar of for thing that the tacho screws into has broke and is suck in the engine block. Here is the paint diagram.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/chris-red/untitled-7.jpg

The green is the tacho spinny thing Embarassed
Yellow is the tacho cable
Black is the engine block
Red is the peice the tacho screws into.

The first picture is how it should be, in the second the solid red represents what has broken that part has snapped off flush with the engine block and wont come out.

Here is an actual picture.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/chris-red/29012008.jpg
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:57 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah HA! I see blue hylomar.... some bodger has been there before... Wink
That tab thingiemagummer should have a bolt/screw holding it in place.. is that what sheared off?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:09 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
ah HA! I see blue hylomar.... some bodger has been there before... Wink
That tab thingiemagummer should have a bolt/screw holding it in place.. is that what sheared off?


My dad put that in when we could get that collar out, apparantly it the same stuff bently use instead of gaskets.

I have undone the bolt, and the thing the bolt holds in half comes out, everything you can see there comes out with the tacho cable but there is a collar that goes into the engine.

https://downwardspiral.net/pictures/Motorcycles/Suzuki/GS500_fiche/wt_201.jpg

Where part 17 gets thinner it has sheared and it stuck flush in the engine.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:16 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fat end of #16 is a spline that engages the cam. The whole thing should slide out if you cab get ahold of it.

Not sure how Suzuki do it, but Kaw's have an oil seal, a fiber washer AND an O Ring to seal the drive.. & the buggers still leak.

If you can get #16 out you will be able to sort it all.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:31 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
The fat end of #16 is a spline that engages the cam. The whole thing should slide out if you cab get ahold of it.

Not sure how Suzuki do it, but Kaw's have an oil seal, a fiber washer AND an O Ring to seal the drive.. & the buggers still leak.

If you can get #16 out you will be able to sort it all.


I can't it's being blocked by the half of 17 I can't get out, I don't want to cut it as lots of swarf will go into the engine

See on the fiche where 17 gets thinner and is dark, that has broke there and is stuck in the block.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 03:41 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There shouldn't be anything holding the broken bit in there except possibly an oring (probably the *dark bit*/#18), dig the fucker out. The only thing holding #17 in was the screw (#20)

But do NOT drill it, just have a poke at it with something.

The other way is pop the valve cover & see if you can lever the other end of #16 without removing the cam....

& if that doesn't work.... undo the cam caps. It'l all be obvious if you pop the valve cover off.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 03:48 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:


The other way is pop the valve cover & see if you can lever the other end of #16 without removing the cam....

& if that doesn't work.... undo the cam caps. It'l all be obvious if you pop the valve cover off.


I never though for that Thumbs Up, I have tried digging it out from the outside but it is stuck solid.

Cheers

On another note about the wobbly swing arm, is the only reason it would move at the pivot knackered bearings? I don't want to fork out £20 for bearing if it could be something else and I don't really have the time to strip it twice as I need the bike to get to work.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 04:31 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be one of two things:

The bearings are knackered..

or

The bearings are missing... Wink

....... assuming the bolt hasn't fell out...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 04:35 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
It will be one of two things:

The bearings are knackered..

or

The bearings are missing... Wink

....... assuming the bolt hasn't fell out...


As I've ridden it 300 miles in the past weekend I assume the bolt is still there. Laughing I'll get some bearings and hopefully sort the lot out at the weekend.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZaphodBeeble
World Chat Champion



Joined: 10 Feb 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:19 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The swingarm up/down movement won't damage the chain and sprockets. If the wheel bearings are worn the wheel can twist and cause excess wear on the chain and sprockets. Also a mis-aligned rear wheel will have the same effect.

Do you change your sprockets and chain at the same time? A worn chain on a new sprocket will cause excess wear.

Check your wheel bearings and wheel alignment.

Z
____________________
Current bike: VTR1000F Firestorm. Previous: Firestorm (written off) - XJ600 Divvy - NSR125 - DT125 and a load of offroaders.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ZRX61
Victor Meldrew



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:05 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZaphodBeeble wrote:
The swingarm up/down movement won't damage the chain and sprockets.
Z

Au contraire...
If there is enough buggeration in the bearings to allow the pivot to move up & down it then follows it will also move back & forth under braking & what passes for acceleration on a GS.. which *will* knacker the C&S Wink
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Fastkwak
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 27 Mar 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:52 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
ZaphodBeeble wrote:
The swingarm up/down movement won't damage the chain and sprockets.
Z

Au contraire...
If there is enough buggeration in the bearings to allow the pivot to move up & down it then follows it will also move back & forth under braking & what passes for acceleration on a GS.. which *will* knacker the C&S Wink

I agree mate if the bearings are worn enough to let it move significantly up and down then they are bound to flex in other directions too thats how physics works and as for replacing chain and sprockets with genuine suzuki i think you will be shocked at the price and bear in mind a genuine chain is one piece and no split/soft link so has to go in before you refit the swinging arm bud (im not being condescending here i have genuinly seen it done twice over the years before people realised that it wasnt a split chain and had to remove the freshly refitted swingarm again) and as for adjusting it every 200 miles or so that could be down to an old worn chain ,wheel alignment ,the bearings or an overly agressive throttle hand /riding style . Thumbs Up Twisted Evil Laughing
____________________
Kiss my ASS im gone. current ZX12R previous ZZR1100,Gpz1100 uni,GT750,VT500,CX500
GT550,various Superdream 250&400,RD350LC,RD400DX,Ts250ER,DT175MX
CB125T superdream
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:01 - 07 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What make is the sprocket the the teeth have come off?

DID Chain and Renthal Sprockets from B&C Express FTW Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

chris-red
Have you considered a TDM?



Joined: 21 Sep 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:32 - 08 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chain was DID and the sprockets where no name from WEMoto. I'm fairly sure the wheel is fine (The number of times I have adjusted the chain I would have noticed bearings and I always check the alinment. The C&S where bought and fitted at the same time but I have just changed the rear and the teeth where fubar.

How agressive can you be a on a GS? I do spank it but I also ride my S4 agressively and that has twice the horsepower. It is still on the orginal C&S from new! After 13k miles.
____________________
Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
WANTED:- Fujinon (Fuji) M42 (Screw on) lenses, let me know if you have anything.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 18 years, 9 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.08 Sec - Server Load: 1.07 - MySQL Queries: 14 - Page Size: 106.46 Kb