Banksy's new graffiti piece..

[Kris]

Unveiled Monday I believe, Post Office depot on Newman Street, London.

Says it all IMO.
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[killa]

What's wrong with CCTV?
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[colin1]

i know ppl moan about cctv, big brother and all that. But i think its great at catching criminals in the act providing useful evidence for convictions. Police cant be everywhere. Cameras everywhere is far more cost effective, and then police can respond.

Obviously there are some examples where people take it too far, like a pub that installed cctv in the loos, to stop ppl doing coke.
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[hellkat]

Kind of wonder how he managed to do it, prolly under the nose of said CCTVs. Being bang in the middle of the West End, Newman St's not exactly "out of the way" of CCTVs, is it.

Maybe he found a little "blind spot"
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[WildGoose]

The way he is worshipped by some probably means he can now do whatever he wants, like any other celebrity type.

His work is impressive, but I still think using stencils is cheating, regardless of how good the finished product is. Would much rather watch a free handed graffiti artist at work.
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[Ste]

[JonB]

We know where Mark Speight last was on the day of his disappearance.
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[WildGoose]

There is a lot of that going around.

"And here the killer/victim was sighted boarding a bus/train/tube at such and such day/time"

Does it ever actually help much, not really. I'm sure thanks to CCTV we have faces of certain people we need to get hold of that we wouldn't have had otherwise, but it doesn't actually help us get to the bottom of things.

Meanwhile, at the expense of everyone being watched, doing everything, all of the time, regardless of their wishes, leading to lots of easy nicks for whicever enforcement agency is chasing whoever, to make the statistics look good.
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So in other words, he stopped you for being flagrantly in posession of a motorcycle in direct contravention of the Hippies, Darkies and People Whose Face I Don't Like The Look of (Police Powers) Act. 1976

[R6jonny]

[Skudd]

I used to use cctv alot in my old job, saw it develope over the last 20 years and the way it is used. It is a good tool, but is only one element of a vast amount of tools required to detect and crack down on crime. If you rely on it too much then you loose the value of cctv.
Many times i had issues brought to me that cctv helped solve but it was not cctv that first found the issue. On the flip side things were found on cctv that gave rise to further investigation.

The way it is used at the moment to equate poor driving as only speed related is wrong, but I do see some cities are now using it to view junctions, bus lanes, etc to see poor driving standards and acting upon the evidence.

I could tripe out the old nuget and it is true to some extent, but it is also intrusive for the normal person too. I can see both sides and both have merit.
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[colin1]

[rhone81]

[Shay HTFC]

CCTV is alright when tapes are looked at when a crime occurs.

But how long until everywhere is covered by cameras. Then how long till a law changes and every camera can trace everyone and where they are going. Once that occurs you get into major 1984 situations where the government knows who you are talking to, where you are going, what you are buying etc etc.

Same principle with ID cards containing all of our data. There is just SOOOO much scope for abuse by corporations and over zealous governments.

And for those of you who ridicule these outrageous thoughts, what do you think a Nectar card is? The cashback they give you is cheap compared to the value the companies get out of your spending habits. They know what you buy, where you buy it, when you buy it, patterns of products you buy.

With ID cards / mass surveillance it doesn't take much to push these current practices further till they know where you are going and who you are meeting etc.
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[Mac_Black]

I will admit that CCTV can be very damning to a criminal, and it can be the one peice of evidence that achieves a conviction, but alot of dangerous criminals will have ways around this. I can tell you from experiance it is not hard to go into an unknown area and spot all the survielance without even being seen.

But all those who support CCTV, fuck you!
It is intrusive, a sham and is mainly intended as a tool against the people, not the theives.
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[killa]

Intrusive? How?

Ok, so you're saying they can't follow murders with it, what fu**ing use is it watching you then?

Why do any of you actually give a toss?

I mean, you go into town and spend on your card, on that day they know what area you've been in. INTRUSIVE!
You go on holiday, they know where you went and where you spent your time. INTRUSIVE!

WTF

I don't give a toss, when i am caught on CCTV, they'll see me walking down the street, past the bin and the phone box and then across the road. INTRUSIVE! Arrgh i iz been watched!

I'm so paranoid about CCTV, Banksy right, we should abolish CCTV because someone saw me on a little monitor throw chewing gum in the park.
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[Itchy]

[thegubner]

I am all for CCTV when it is to protect property.

But to be fair I was arrested a few times when younger but not once was it through CCTV, if you get caught by CCTV doing something, you are stupid enough to deserve to be caught.

CCTV is not hard to spot.

[Kris]

CCTV cameras are great, we should all be watched 24/7 incase we are Al-CIAda or don't love our government. Of course, our esteemed leaders can of course be trusted with 'keeping us safe ltd.' for they'd never misuse any of our information and we've never had any kind of corrupt government in modern history have we? Governments love us, they are our friends to be trusted implicitly.

In fact, we should all be tracked and traced all day long, even as we sleep, with cameras in our houses, streets, cars, everything. That would stop all crime, wouldn't it! Wouldn't it?



Ah FFS, some people really are dumb.
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[killa]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Want to know the really scary part. They are now linking up CCTV to facial recognition software. So when they see you they can pull up all your other details on the police database(if you're on it) or if they introduce ID cards they'll be able to pull up everyone's details.
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[powelly]

[Shay HTFC]

Killa, its the fact that soon if they continue on the same road they're going down, they will know when you are in your house, they will know who you are meeting.

To put it in a biking perspective.

What if you come out of hospital and they say "Don't ride your bike for 3 months" or "Don't visit any pubs". Bit later you think, ah, I'll just have a quick ride around the block, or a quick pint.

Your motorbike gets triggered as being started and a CCTV camera catches you riding along the street (which is backed up because your compulsory ID chip (cards were made redundant years ago - Now you have a chip in your forearm) just triggered up on the system along with your motorbike.
*BOOM* - No more free healthcare for you maybe because you 'abused' your side of the deal.

Or you go into a pub which isn't going to harm anyone. Wander in and before you know it, you have to pay a big fine because your ID chip was detected entering the pub. It was also linked at the point of sale and knows exactly what you bought (yes, it was a pint of Carling, not an orange juice)

This sort of intrusion where the powers that be know everything that is going on cannot happen. You then end up with major social engineering where you get punished for talking with certain people, you get fines for certain decisions you make and a visit from the police for riding at 5 mph over the limit (because all vehicles are now obliged to have a Sat Nav unit attached)
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Just noticed something.
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[Kris]