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Blackwolf
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Moral Dilema Reply with quote

Right.. Umm Yeah...


I have been taking part in my A level exam. One of my friends has been using a computer during it, using the computer is ok for notes he had on his USB, but he then went on the internet and that isn't.

So the question is do i tell the invigilator/Examiner (SP)?
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grass on a mate?

No.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Grass on a mate?

No.

I work hard study my balls off then a mate who cba doing some reading for a shitty exam gets an A by using the internet on his laptop... Grass him the lazy fucker...
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Joe said, but tell him if he does it again then you will take it further.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But thats the thing, he can get away with it as he is one of the Intelligent ones as i call it, can do S**t all until 3 days from the dead line, then produce a ton of work and still get good marks...

Oh and he finished the exam early... Its a weird exam, 10 hours long, we do an hour or 2 a week so technically the exam hasn't finished
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
But thats the thing, he can get away with it as he is one of the Intelligent ones as i call it, can do S**t all until 3 days from the dead line, then produce a ton of work and still get good marks...

Off the net? or another student...
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same student. Sorry. Not off the net no. that was a bit of a side path. general question is do i grass him in for cheating on his A level exam?
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
Same student. Sorry. Not off the net no. that was a bit of a side path. general question is do i grass him in for cheating on his A level exam?

Would you cheat on your exam? or would you study like the rest of those hard working students in that exam hall? like an honest person.
Dont grass on him if you dont want the hassle, but if you feel cheated then grass him, if it was me i'd grass him infront of him friend or not.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
Same student. Sorry. Not off the net no. that was a bit of a side path. general question is do i grass him in for cheating on his A level exam?


No you don't, he has caused no harm to any one else. Grassing him up will not help you in any way. If he had stolen your work then fair enough.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exams have changed since I was at school/college...computers? Internet?? Bloddy hell you were lucky if they allowed in a pencil case when i were a lad

I wouldn't grass on a mate either
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dam, I was expecting a clear cut case, Oh how i was wrong Laughing

Hmm I'm still non the wiser, and personally i wouldn't cheat Cool
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passing by cheating is still passing. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
Dam, I was expecting a clear cut case, Oh how i was wrong Laughing

Hmm I'm still non the wiser, and personally i wouldn't cheat Cool

Fuck it lie down an let him get an A* using the net during a test, whats cheating these days? he'll get a great job and then a good life all cos he couldnt be arsed studying before a test, be like the rest of britain and lie down and take it.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 21 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its called getting ahead Lone.


Youd study your arse off when you could you could do a few days work and still pass? Personal choice innit, and Im sure in the end it will make you better for it, appreciate everything more and feel as if you earned it. Some people just arent like that.

Im a bit of both. I say and do the right things when its expected of me, but i 'll do what i need to, to get ahead in my apprenticeship.


Grassing on your friend isnt really being a friend is it, if he isnt doing anyone harm. You would feel cheated because you didnt think to do it? Or is it because you prefer to work for something? if you do, then thats admirable and your choice. Cant force your choices on other people, and that would include dobbing your mate in. You would be getting him punished because of your own personal views.

If you need to work hard for months to pass, then thats just your way of doing it, its sorted. If he wants to pass and potentially not gain any knowledge, then fair enough.

One point though...it is worth actually learning shit at some point, as to excel once past the school/uni gates you actually have to put it into practice Wink



*shrugs*


Not saying its 100% right, or wrong, but what the fuck isnt grey in todays society?


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PostPosted: 00:20 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, lie down let him get a good life, he earned that A!
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I'd let him carry on.

Saw this a few times at uni, people had little cheat sheets stashed away, shady visits to the toilet etc etc.

Didnt bother me in the slightest because whilst they may get a piece of paper that says they are capable of being able to do said task or are knowledgable about said subject, when it comes down to it they will fall on their arse, in front of their employer because they havent locked that knowledge in and goit it down pat, all they are gonna be able to do is think "shit, what did i scribble on that piece of paper", and when questioned by their gaffer "but didnt you say on your CV that this was a specialist area for you?" they are going to look pretty fucking stupid. Too much of that and its bye bye job.

You wont do any favours grassing on him, because not only will it comprimise your friendship with said person, but those around you will most probably be weary of you from that point, because in that situation people will tend to wonder if they can trust you, always wondering whether you'll switch it on them.

So yeah, all in all, if your studyin hard, taking it in, then it will pay off down the road. The guy that cheats and takes the easy path will down the line realise it wasnt the smart option. Unless of course he is one of these jammy bastards who can just absorb everything with the least effort like some sort of photographic memory type shit - then thats just sods law.

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PostPosted: 00:55 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Didnt bother me in the slightest because whilst they may get a piece of paper that says they are capable of being able to do said task or are knowledgable about said subject, when it comes down to it they will fall on their arse, in front of their employer because they havent locked that knowledge in and goit it down pat

Oh aye, because everytime my boss gets me to do a piece of work he forbids me from using the internet, books or asking anyone else if I need a hand with something. In fact my whole office sits in an assembly hall, with the boss in front of a blackboard with "Silence" written on it and a large clock on his desk counting down. At the end of the day he asks us all to put our pencils down while he takes our work off us - and the miserable get doesn't even let us speak until we have left the room! (Oh and no toilet breaks unless it's an emergency and even then one of the other bosses has to go with you) Laughing

And to the OP, it is pretty clear cut - you're not much of a friend if you would consider grassing on him for cheating in an exam, and since it's got nothing to do with you I don't really see why you feel the need to tell tales on him anyway.
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PostPosted: 02:40 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the white people way... Laughing





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PostPosted: 08:23 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This just shows how exams are getting out of touch...
How the hell can they allow a laptop into a exam.....


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Oh aye, because everytime my boss gets me to do a piece of work he forbids me from using the internet, books or asking anyone else if I need a hand with something.


We now have to take a yearly comptency test to ensure we are upto speed on our knowledge.
Of course while doing it you are allowed to use all the resources you have to hand, inc the folks around you as we do all the time anyway. Not sure ask someone.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll come back to bite him in the ass when he is in the workplace so let him carry on.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GhostRider wrote:
Didnt bother me in the slightest because whilst they may get a piece of paper that says they are capable of being able to do said task or are knowledgable about said subject, when it comes down to it they will fall on their arse, in front of their employer because they havent locked that knowledge in and goit it down pat

Oh aye, because everytime my boss gets me to do a piece of work he forbids me from using the internet, books or asking anyone else if I need a hand with something. In fact my whole office sits in an assembly hall, with the boss in front of a blackboard with "Silence" written on it and a large clock on his desk counting down. At the end of the day he asks us all to put our pencils down while he takes our work off us - and the miserable get doesn't even let us speak until we have left the room! (Oh and no toilet breaks unless it's an emergency and even then one of the other bosses has to go with you) Laughing

Rolling Eyes Well I was speaking from my own personal experience since I purify proteins for a living, I cant well type into google "Purify Transthyretin", click print and have a pure protein sat in front of me can I? Such abilities are gained from experience and practised practical abilities, coupled with my previous knowledge surrounding the subject. Sure, there are circumstances where you could check the internet or a book to gain the answer to what ever you need to find out, but when Im sat in a meeting with 6 superiors and they're asking me how Im going to go about acheiving so and so, or what complications I can expect to encounter whilst carrying out "X" and "Y", I cant very well say "excuse me for 5 minutes, I;ll just go check google or pop to the library".

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PostPosted: 10:47 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go to uni you'll probably find cheating going on at a mass scale, I wouldn't even consider grassing up for that.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:

Dont grass on him if you dont want the hassle, but if you feel cheated then grass him, if it was me i'd grass him infront of him friend or not.


That is a pretty shitty thing to say.

Him cheating doesn't affect anybody elses results does it?

Its not like your hard work is affected. Cheating is wrong granted, grassing is a cvnts trick, grassing just to please yourself with no possible outcome is a filthy thing to do and you would probably find yourself without mates very quickly.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 22 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I mentioned something like this to my uncle he told me to take note and get used to the world.

He said it's like the interview procedure about 30% of the time. It's just a formality and the candidate who will win is someone of relevance to a key investor who heavily suggests them during the next poker night/golf game.

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