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c_dug
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: declaration of bike mods Reply with quote

do you or dont you?

My bikes got non standard wheels and non standard back pipes would you declare them or not, considering with my age (18) and only one years no claims it will probably double the insurance Laughing

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope,
just when i crash i repair it myself.
fuck going through insurance id get rite done over. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

until you cause an accident and the bike is impounded, inspected without you getting chance to change it back to standard.

then the 3rd party puts a claim in your insurance is void due to mods not being declared.....

tricky territory
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is that issue,
if i have a crash that bad, that i cant carry on/move the bike away
then ill probably have more to worry about than just my bike being illegal lol.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is my bikes not less than 33bhp either so the insurance is void anyway but im more worried because its easier to notice the bike mods.

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PostPosted: 15:04 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The thing is my bikes not less than 33bhp either so the insurance is void anyway but im more worried because its easier to notice the bike mods.


I'm in the same boat as you, Didn't bother to declare any mods as i'm supposed to be 33bhp too. When i bought the zxr it was already modded quite a bit (didn't know this at the time as i'm pretty much a n00b on the technical side of things) Paint job, forks, footpegs/rests, Exhaust and even the wheels are apparently a lighter wieght than standard Confused .

I used Ebike in the end as i didnt have to speak to anyone, just filled in the boxes and that was that Thumbs Up . Insurance doesn't like me as it is with having two bikes stolen a few years back Sad
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the insurer, and it depends on the mods.

Say you're running a 1 liter bike with everything under the sun to make it go faster, and it'll amount to a 100% increase in your rates. Report it? No.

Now let's say you own a Harley Sportster 883. You've got better brakes, better suspension, handlebars that feel made for you, a torque curve tweaked to perfection, and crash guards. Report it? Hell yes. Some local insurers are known to lower rates for bikes that are custom suited to riders who can flick them around like mopeds.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The thing is my bikes not less than 33bhp either so the insurance is void anyway


save yourself money next year then,

don't get insurance!!

cause thats what you are pretty much doing just now!

your insurance is void and your riding outwith your license! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who ride/drive on void insurance really piss me off.....that`s all i`m saying.
If you can`t afford to pay the piper for all the performance tweaks.......don`t do them.

and if you ride unrestricted bikes on restricted licences....you`re a twat!
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always declared everything so that if the bike is ever nicked I get everything back or if there is an accident I am covered.

Non standard wheels may be considered a contributing factor of any accident so would be in your best interests telling the insurers. End pipes won't make any difference unless they make a 5bhp power difference so its always worth telling them about them as there isn't any end cans on their own that do.

Better than not being covered for damage to your own bike.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
People who ride/drive on void insurance really piss me off.....that`s all i`m saying.
If you can`t afford to pay the piper for all the performance tweaks.......don`t do them.

and if you ride unrestricted bikes on restricted licences....you`re a twat!


Oh give over moron, as far as i'm aware we do the same bloody test as someone who does a DAS Surprised

I'm not paying to have the balls cut off my bike and potentially damage it Question (from what i have heard/read) It should all be one test in my eyes, no exceptions whether you are 17 or 47, it should all be the same test. We all ride on the same roads at the end of the day.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zanith wrote:
B_A_B wrote:
People who ride/drive on void insurance really piss me off.....that`s all i`m saying.
If you can`t afford to pay the piper for all the performance tweaks.......don`t do them.

and if you ride unrestricted bikes on restricted licences....you`re a twat!


Oh give over moron, as far as i'm aware we do the same bloody test as someone who does a DAS Surprised

I'm not paying to have the balls cut off my bike and potentially damage it Question (from what i have heard/read) It should all be one test in my eyes, no exceptions whether you are 17 or 47, it should all be the same test. We all ride on the same roads at the end of the day.


The reason i`m calling those types of drivers/twats isn`t to do with "them and their expenses" or tests etc etc"....it`s to do with the rest of us (and the general public)who have vaild insurance and "our" expenses and the things we have to go through if one of you fuckwits causes an accident.

But you cunts only think of yourselves dont you.As long as you can ride fast bikes that look and sound cool that`s all that matters to you aint it....
like i said....twats!
Just hope none of you ever crash into someone .......me especially!

If you think it`s no problem having no insurance....i really hope either you or one of your family members gets hit by an uninsured driver.......you`ll understand things better then.


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PostPosted: 16:47 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rawker wrote:

save yourself money next year then,

don't get insurance!!

cause thats what you are pretty much doing just now!

your insurance is void and your riding outwith your license! Rolling Eyes


These days we aren't buying insurance so we can be covered, we're just paying to be on the insurance database Razz
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do people keep getting this crap that riding a >33bhp bike when on a restricted licence is equivalent to riding without insurance?

The insurer cannot legally squirm their way out of cover for third parties (which is all that is required by law). However they could then sue you to recover their costs, and refuse to pay for any damage to your bike if the policy is fully comp. T.C. on this forum confirmed this IIRC.

If you think about it, if every time you weren't absolutely legal meant that your insurance was invalid then surely it would be invalidated by speeding, for example?
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rawker wrote:
c_dug wrote:
The thing is my bikes not less than 33bhp either so the insurance is void anyway


save yourself money next year then,

don't get insurance!!

cause thats what you are pretty much doing just now!

your insurance is void and your riding outwith your license! Rolling Eyes


And you've never broken any laws? Sorry Mr perfect i shall forever bow i your presence and worship the ground you walk on.

Was there not a thing in MCN not to long ago that even having non specified tyres could void your insurance? im willing to bet that your tyres are not the same make as the ones the bike is specified to have by the manufacturer.

Besides did i say anywhere in my original post that i have or have not declared my mods? My bike isnt even on the road yet let alone insured so how about not jumping to conclusions? and lay off the bad karma befoe you know the facts.

so neh! Laughing

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100_Chris wrote:
Where do people keep getting this crap that riding a >33bhp bike when on a restricted licence is equivalent to riding without insurance?


because it is.
If you ride a 100bhp bike (for example) on an A2licence it means you`ve not got the right licence for that bike....and if you`ve not got the right licence for the bike....your insurance is void.
It`s self explanatory.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the rest of my post somehow invisible?
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

meaning??
what point have i missed mate?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The insurer cannot legally squirm their way out of cover for third parties (which is all that is required by law). However they could then sue you to recover their costs, and refuse to pay for any damage to your bike if the policy is fully comp. T.C. on this forum confirmed this IIRC.

If you think about it, if every time you weren't absolutely legal meant that your insurance was invalid then surely it would be invalidated by speeding, for example?

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PostPosted: 17:18 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100_Chris wrote:
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The insurer cannot legally squirm their way out of cover for third parties (which is all that is required by law). However they could then sue you to recover their costs, and refuse to pay for any damage to your bike if the policy is fully comp. T.C. on this forum confirmed this IIRC.

If you think about it, if every time you weren't absolutely legal meant that your insurance was invalid then surely it would be invalidated by speeding, for example?


I think you`re missing the point.
3rd party cover requires a vaild insurance policy.If someone`s riding a bike that doesn`t have the upgrades reported to their insurers...or they`ve got the wrong licence....they`ve basically got no insurance full stop!!!
Whoever they had cover with won`t need to wriggle out of it because they`re not at fault are they.They insured the driver on "xyz" vehicle with "xyz" upgrades and on "xyz" licence.If the driver didn`t notify them of changes that could void the insurance they`ve not got a leg to stand out.They dont have to pay out anything...to anyone.

I don`t give a toss about the uninsured drivers repairs bills or costs "he`d" incur as a result.....i`m more bothered about the 3rd party (meaning me...general public..other drivers).
Do you know how complex the process is and how much aggro`s involved for legal drivers if they`re hit by someone with no licence/insurance??
i do...
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
I think you`re missing the point.
3rd party cover requires a vaild insurance policy.If someone`s riding a bike that doesn`t have the upgrades reported to their insurers...or they`ve got the wrong licence....they`ve basically got no insurance full stop!!!
Whoever they had cover with won`t need to wriggle out of it because they`re not at fault are they.They insured the driver on "xyz" vehicle with "xyz" upgrades and on "xyz" licence.If the driver didn`t notify them of changes that could void the insurance they`ve not got a leg to stand out.They dont have to pay out anything...to anyone.

I don`t give a toss about the uninsured drivers repairs bills or costs "he`d" incur as a result.....i`m more bothered about the 3rd party (meaning me...general public..other drivers).
Do you know how complex the process is and how much aggro`s involved for legal drivers if they`re hit by someone with no licence/insurance??
i do...


Bit off topic but can you stop putting spaces around your apostrophes. Example, instead of writing 'It ' s well annoying, isn ' t it' write 'It's well annoying, isn't it' Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
they`ve basically got no insurance full stop!!!


I think it's you who is missing the point. As RXS-100 Chris point out, T.C who is the resident forum expert confirmed, if you crash and you have undeclared mods or riding an unrestricted bike on an A2 license , you are still covered on a third party basis. So you wouldn't be claiming for a non-insured driver...
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well far be it from me to challenge the forum expert.....but what he,and you,are saying is that insurance companies will still pay out to the 3rd party in the event of an accident even if the person at fault (on their policy) has the wrong licence and has voided their insurance by adding unreported modifications..

I know you`re wrong already(unless within the 3rd partys policy there`s a clause for "uninsured motorists")...but i`ll call my insurers tomorrow and get it from the horses mouth ok.

"""""Hello carole nash.....will you cover the vehicle damage and injury compensation to a 3rd party if i crash into them on my bike with un-reported mods and with the wrong licence??"""""
I can hear them laughing already.....lol

insurers can refuse to pay out in an accident over something as trivial as having tyre tread depth under the legal limit.....so what you`re saying is ridiculous tbh.
watch this space eh
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
I think you`re missing the point.
3rd party cover requires a vaild insurance policy.If someone`s riding a bike that doesn`t have the upgrades reported to their insurers...or they`ve got the wrong licence....they`ve basically got no insurance full stop!!!
Whoever they had cover with won`t need to wriggle out of it because they`re not at fault are they.They insured the driver on "xyz" vehicle with "xyz" upgrades and on "xyz" licence.If the driver didn`t notify them of changes that could void the insurance they`ve not got a leg to stand out.They dont have to pay out anything...to anyone.
i do...

They have to pay out to third parties. They can then go after the driver to try and get their money back from the claim, but the third party gets their money from the insurance company before that.

If you're hit by an uninsured or untraceable vehicle then you can still claim from the MIB, which is a fund that's paid into by all motor insurance companies so claims from the MIB are funded partly by everyone's insurance but you wouldn't be left unable to claim for your losses/expenses.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 23 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i crashed my bike into a car, police came etc, technically my fault cos i crashed into the car - insurers dealt with it without any bother. I've never been bothered declaring my mods since i plead ignorance. Maybe it's me or my poor understanding of the english language, but i'm not able to read that my bike has an end can that is NOT LEGAL FOR ROAD USE - when i crashed. Police said nothing, insurers said nothing, case was dealt without any bother after I eventually and reluctantly admitted liability. I guess my insurers still paid out to the 3rd party there. What made it even more dodgier was the fact that it was my last day of my insurance policy! Wink (I renewed the week before to roll over). Even still, the government take enough money from road users already that i honestly can't be bothered declaring my mods so that the relevant parties can take money out of my pockets. Like ms51ves3, I'm only insured so that i'm on the database! I went a whole 5 months without telling them i moved house, so technically my policy would have been void (but who cares, i wasn't in the country for 3 of those months). In my opinion insurance is gash and i feel that it's not there to protect YOU YOURSELF.
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