Apache SuperMoto

[Shaane]

All I'm looking for really is good points and any mega bad points. I know it is Chinese so please don't comment on that. But what do you guys think/advise about this bike?

https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5034/apache2bg8.jpg

Thanks.
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[MarJay]

[twotakt]

Yea, I wouldn't bother with that bike. It'll probably be a waste of money in the long run.

If you fancy a <125cc supermoto, then go for a ktm125exc ideally, dt125x if your bugdet doesn't stretch to a ktm.

Alternatively you could buy a 50cc supermoto such as a senda, beta, rieju mrx etc. and fit a top alu 86cc kit. Apparently once set up they'll be on par with ktm125exc's and they sound frickin lovely, check the link for a sound clip.

https://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/top%2Balu/video/x40zpo_hm-top-alu_extreme

ktm125exc vs 86cc top alu

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oheN1vtDt0c

Ta,
Jack
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[Shaane]

Well The Apache I've looked at for a few months time is in a nice silver/white colour which makes it appeal for me. But i also love the KTM Bike in orange. What are the average price for the KTM?
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[colin1]

dont buy a new bike, have a look on ebay to see what you can afford
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[Shaane]

A family friend also a bike dealer told me i can have a Apache for 900 pound on a 2008 plate. How come this bike isn't worth getting?
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[twotakt]

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Not sure if you mean the KTM or the 86cc big-bore.

If you mean the KTM;
By the time you've done a few thousand miles, you'll undboutably have spent at least a few hundred quid on fuel, so the cost of new piston or rings isn't really /that/ bad. (They are cheap and easy to do.)

If we're talking the 86cc; if it /really/ makes as much power as the KTM, I'd expect we'd be talking new pistons after tens of hours, not thousands. The KTM should probably make over a 'real' 30hp; seen 36hp claimed which is quite possible for a competition bike.
To get something making that sort of power from an 86cc I would suspect we'd be talking a 125cc GP kinda level; yet from an engine designed for a road bike. Possible, but rather foolish, I'd say.

[twotakt]

G, what you've said is all true. A 86cc bike that puts out the power of a ktm125 would been in the highest state of tune. Working its engine to the maximum and thus would have extremely short service intervals.

To be honest I'm just going on others experiences and opinions in relation to the top alu kit. Having no experience with these kits myself I'm in no position to back up these claims.

However a friend of mine said he's seen many of these in action over in Spain and said they perform very well. He's planning to fit the 86cc kit to his mrx pro (in England), once (if) done I'll post a review on how well it runs and how difficult/easy it was to set up.

Ta,
Jack
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If he does it, would be interesting to see a dyno graph done on a decent dyno - I'm very sceptical that you could reasonably get a hp per cc ratio similar or better to a world-class racing bike from a standard road engine.

[twotakt]

The basis of the claim that the 86cc bikes were as powerful as the ktm was only from that video. As mentioned, in order to find out how powerful these 86cc bikes are a dyno needs to be done.

With the kit he said he's aiming for about 20bhp, not in such a high state of tune as some of the others seen.

Once done we'll probably take it over to a place in South Wales to get it dyno'd, can't remember the name now. The guy who runs it used to race tzr's.

Ta,
Jack
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Ah, ok; so a fair bit lower than a KTM - sort of DT125 power, though presumably a bit less weight.

20hp seems 'reasonable' for a fairly highly tuned 86cc.

[Shaane]

Cheapest KTM i have found on auto trader that i like was almost 2.5k
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[MarJay]

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The KTM and that chinese oriental motorcycle are pretty diametrically opposed, why not look for something in between?

DT125, KMX125 and MZ125 are all worth looking into second hand for similar money to the one you were looking at.

[Joeb46]

avoid that bike like unprotected sex with a ethiopian transvestite.
and i will give karma every day for a year for the first person to find me one of those 86cc kits for a suzuki ts50x

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[cyberglass]

The chinese have found a way to polish a turd as thats what that bike is

had a dt 125 till an accident destroyed it got a sport bike then
went against what the guys on here said paid £1000 for a chinky gy 125

First week it was great then the downhill spiral started kept blowing fuses took it back had it re wired a week later it started again same wire problem back it went

then the battery connector wire snapped thought it was the first problem back again back it went


then what looked like good welds started to disintergrate the back rack snapped off loosing my £100 doberman chain


the seat rattled like fuck from the 4 stroke engine vibrations and hurt my ass if i had to spend more than 30 mins riding and the carb started leaking

then the bulb went had to wait a week for it to ordered from china as it was a dodgy wattage and if i fitted a uk equivelent in the back light and clocks went dim to the point they only just came on

the tyres were crap if they seen mud they shit themselfs and refused to get any traction (tought id burned my clutch out on a field as it wheel was spinning )

and it seemed to be missing a gear it would get to 5th 55mph and still have a bit of power left for another gear



Then i sold it for £300 after 11 months of owning the thing and was lucky to get that

used that cash for my licence


pay a little more an go for the dt125 i mis mine sooooooo much

OR go for you licence its a little less that £300 for a couple of lessons your cbt your theory and test fees

Almax in aintree near liverpool do a cource for £299 or long cource for £399

The get an older model klr or klx 650 or 600 for the same price




I really do hope you will take everyones advice i had a £700 loss in the end down to the fact the black bike plastics made it look pretty

( waits for the i told you so posts )

[Whosthedaddy]

[Shaane]

Ok guys. All advice taken on board and I've decided to look at something different. I have some time yet so it is ok.

Thanks to everyone
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I read something on another forum from a chinese person - apparantly china actually has banned the export of some of the worst examples of their bikes because they would give too bad a reputation to the outside world (and yes, this is already happening, the ones you see are the 'not so bad ones' ).

[Shaane]

Ok now i need a little help from you guys.

Can you make a short list of super moto style bikes such as the KTM EXE and the Apache for me?

Will be rewarded for people.

Thanks
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Previous: 1992 DT125R
Current: ~ 2005 ZX6R C1H

[twotakt]

These bikes come out of the factory in SUPERMOTO form and are 125cc. (This list is inexhaustable)

Yamaha DT125X
Yamaha TDR125
Yamaha XT125
Husqvarna SM125
MZ125sm
Derbi Baja R 125
Debri Senda R 125
Debri Terra 125
Cagiva Supercity 125
GAS GAS SM 125
Aprilia MX125
KTM Supemoto 125
Rieju SMX 125

Not sure the availability of these bikes in the UK, but don't even consider any Chinese crap.
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[Shaane]

Thanks Mate.

Where is best to look?

Auto trader
PistonHeads
eBay
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