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PostPosted: 22:47 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Bike mags... Reply with quote

Why are they so bloody biased? I say that and realise that I already know the answer, it's cash. The big guys in the industry fairly obviously chuck a bundle of cash to the mags to get their bikes bumped up in the reviews. The main reason why I'm so frustrated is the way they slate the smaller bike manufacturers machines. Even if the uncommon machine is absolutely awesome they tend to give it a shit review. It's so annoying.

I remember a certain mag test riding the Moto Morini Corsaro 1200 Veloce and not really selling it as a decent machine at all. Having ridden this bike myself I know it to be a complete hooligan tool and is currently the best damn thing I have ridden.

I suppose I can tend to be a bit biased myself sometimes as I work for a dealer that sells the niche market Italian brands but I still get annoyed at all the hype surrounding the bikes that have the most marketing money spent on them.

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PostPosted: 22:52 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Re: Bike mags... Reply with quote

I think the majority of them aint even worth buying,MCN sport was the best untill it was no more.Preformance bikes now and then.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do seem to favour featuring the more expensive bikes, considering most bikes are small capacity, would be better if they featured some cheaper stuff.

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another slightly OT point about bike mags is that they all seem obsessed with executing the same boring tests between the big jap four on their 600's and thou's, and nothing interesting, except for Performance Bike, which perform interesting tests like whether there really is that much difference between a '99 SRAD and a K8, which to me is far more interesting...
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

some of the new bike journos have only been riding for 3-4 years and think they know it all. yes they have been to a few bike launches and fallen off a few times so that must mean they are gods. after reading the mags for the past 25 years you begin to realise that they only print what the manufacturers AND the readers want to hear. All the sports bikes are more or less the same with useable power and speed, there will be some differences but thats down to colour and the odd gizmo. but it is all the same tripe year in year out. if you want to know next years stuff just read last years mag and change a few names around .
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Re: Bike mags... Reply with quote

Have you ridden any of this bike's competitors? KTM Superduke, etc?

Bike magazines have to sell and the people splashing out cash to read reviews probably don't want to read about some old
Look at Top Gear on TV - they can't do sensible road tests of sensible cars any more because that just doesn't 'sell' - they will do sensible road tests of sporty cars, have to do silly things with sensible cars to get any interest.

Over the last 12-13 years I don't think bike mag's have really changed that much - I've just got used to the drivel they write Smile.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read BSH. They don't seem biased, except against OCC, which is perfectly understandable.

Probably wouldn't interest you superbike and enduro riders much though Thinking
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classic Motorcycle Mechanics is my favourite - always a good read. Obviously they don't review new bikes though, so it wouldn't be useful from that point of view.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike and PB don't really 'do' tests like "600 shootout" any more. Thats left to stuff like SuperBike and FastBikes (which are both total crap, especially as most of the journos from both mags can't ride).

Bike is probably my favourite, because its witty, has amusing articles about bikes which aren't 'every day' bikes and also has some down to earth stuff.

I like PB for the projects and the lunacy, but Bike has some good top gear style stupidity too. For example the Bike 400 where they had to buy bikes for £400 and do a race at rockingham, a flat track and a drag race. I believe our very own Khal Harris (a member of this forum) actually added the scores up wrongly too - to add to the amusement factor!! Smile

RiDE is ok but it can be a bit patronising, its often aimed at newer bikers, and is a little *too* down to earth for my tastes sometimes. That said, I still buy it, but I wouldn't ever subscribe to it.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Thats left to stuff like SuperBike and FastBikes (which are both total crap, especially as most of the journos from both mags can't ride).

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Rememeber flicking through Superbike mag in the shop and see where the editor did hundreds of quid worth of damage when he came off his cbr600 on the first lap doing a track day cause he didn't heat his tyres. Rolling Eyes fuckin hell, how retarded is that !!

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I'd buy them more often but they're too friggen expensive
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deckx wrote:
Rememeber flicking through Superbike mag in the shop and see where the editor did hundreds of quid worth of damage when he came off his cbr600 on the first lap doing a track day cause he didn't heat his tyres. Rolling Eyes fuckin hell, how retarded is that !!


He's actually one of the worst culprits, he came from a mountain biking magazine when he started and didn't even have a license! Superbike have gone all 'new biker friendly' lately and they've had to because the only person they had who could ride ('big' Dave Sonsky) quit because he hated their other road tester. Who also quit. Jonathan Pearson can ride a bit (I think he's fast bikes...), but he was better when he was at Bike mag.

Not looked at fast bikes for ages though.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Bike and PB don't really 'do' tests like "600 shootout" any more.


I've got March's BIKE (or maybe February's edition - can't recall off hand) and guess what test is in it? Oh yes, a 600cc sportsbike shootout...

With regards to PB, I agree with you. They seem to have far more interesting articles although I can read it cover to cover in about 20mins. Not great value IMO.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Deckx wrote:
Rememeber flicking through Superbike mag in the shop and see where the editor did hundreds of quid worth of damage when he came off his cbr600 on the first lap doing a track day cause he didn't heat his tyres. Rolling Eyes fuckin hell, how retarded is that !!


He's actually one of the worst culprits, he came from a mountain biking magazine when he started and didn't even have a license! Superbike have gone all 'new biker friendly' lately and they've had to because the only person they had who could ride ('big' Dave Sonsky) quit because he hated their other road tester. Who also quit. Jonathan Pearson can ride a bit (I think he's fast bikes...), but he was better when he was at Bike mag.

Not looked at fast bikes for ages though.


Kenny Pryde (the SuperBike Ed) is currently club-racing a CBR600, and on his first day he pulled in some places and scored some points (both wet and dry races too).

Which is more than 95% of bikers have managed, noobs or vets.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not all bike mags are shite. I quite enjoy BIKE and PB. I used to subscribe to both but stopped when I was spending too much, but still buy the occasional issue of both.

BIKE is like the Autocar of bike mags, seems fairly well written and professional, there's obviously some handy riders on the editorial team, good photos, good features.

PB is a more interesting mag, all the 'build it don't buy it' features, the Guy Martin column, some really nice readers' bikes etc... they don't really do road tests as such and I think it's all the better for it.

Other than those two, I quite like Classic Bike mag which my dad buys, cheap and cheerful, no bullshit like you get with more established titles.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vote here appears to be for BIKE and PB.

Personally PB suits me down to the ground, just wish there was more of it lol.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJI wrote:
Not all bike mags are shite. I quite enjoy BIKE and PB.


First ever 'bike mag' I buy was BIKE (Issue 421) and what do we have 'The new GSX-R v R6 v ZX-6R v CBR v 675' Rolling Eyes

17 pages on sport 600s, but only 8 pages on the KTM RC8 and 2 pages on the Yamaha R125.
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike and TWO for preference... they actually have articles aimed at me as a rider. As for them doing 600 shootouts, well what do you expect. Take a quick look at the newbie page here and see how many "which 600cc bike should I buy" threads there are.

RiDE isn't bad, it's just not as good as the other two.

I enjoy 100% Biker and BSH, I used to like AWoL as well, because I love the energy and enterprise of the Bikes that are featured.

Mind you, I enjoy flicking through MCN as well.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

He's actually one of the worst culprits, he came from a mountain biking magazine when he started and didn't even have a license! Superbike have gone all 'new biker friendly' lately and they've had to because the only person they had who could ride ('big' Dave Sonsky) quit because he hated their other road tester. Who also quit. Jonathan Pearson can ride a bit (I think he's fast bikes...), but he was better when he was at Bike mag.

Not looked at fast bikes for ages though.


Big Dave is now the Editor of super streetbike in the states I think.

JP writes for Superbike and is competing in the Superduke championship this year.

I do agree that most of the FB lot can't ride though.

I tend to buy Bike, PB, superbike and occasionally ride.
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% is easily the best, closely followed by BSH.

shame aWoL stopped, that was awesome.

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PostPosted: 09:01 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Streetfighter magazine, my mate asked if I wanted his when he was done with them and all I said was.....done what? Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

I do agree that most of the FB lot can't ride though.

Indeed, racing Kenny maybe, but doing well he is not - you'd think he could have blagged a few CSS days first or something Razz.

Though, in the end, I'm not sure how much it /really/ matters to be honest - it may even give slightly more 'realistic' reviews when the level of riding is similar to your average on-the-street rider, rather than a multiple-TT winning hero.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonie wrote:
Streetfighter magazine, my mate asked if I wanted his when he was done with them and all I said was.....done what? Shocked


Don't ask, but hopefully he laminated the pages first... Wink
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Moonie wrote:
Streetfighter magazine, my mate asked if I wanted his when he was done with them and all I said was.....done what? Shocked


Don't ask, but hopefully he laminated the pages first... Wink


The models in SF and BSH are usually quite nice too Cool 100% Bikers ok too.

Only read SF myself, I'm interested in seeing modified bikes, What the owners have done to thiers to give me inspiration to do mine.

The other mags which review the same old/new bikes and drivel on about how one is 0.0002s quicker on 0-60 just dont do a thing for me, Would maybe read it if i was buying a new bike every month Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get PB a few times a year, the projects are often good. I was tempted to buy Bike in asda today when I see they were giving away a copy of the very first issue of Bike with it, but then decided to save myself four quid. I usually have a quick flick through a mag before buying it, to see if it's gunna be worth the dosh.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Indeed, racing Kenny maybe, but doing well he is not - you'd think he could have blagged a few CSS days first or something Razz.

Though, in the end, I'm not sure how much it /really/ matters to be honest - it may even give slightly more 'realistic' reviews when the level of riding is similar to your average on-the-street rider, rather than a multiple-TT winning hero.


Yes I don't mind having 'ordinary' riders reviewing my bikes, as long as they don't claim to be 'really really hardcore' like the Superbike and Fast bikes people do.
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