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PostPosted: 13:28 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No chance. I'm not wasting petrol supporting the billion dollar cancer "research" industry.

CRUK has enough money in its coffers. Support a local charity not a bunch of frauds.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch Steppen!

I would be more interested if it didn't make me laugh.

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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

DidierD wrote:
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

FaceSpace? Isn't that some kind of "inline" "Social netting" website?
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:54 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously man, Are you kids or adults?

Off all places I would of expected a little more support then to act like it’s a joking matter. I’m disgusted to be honest lads. And for those 1 or 2 off you with trying to be funny, sorry but just hope you don’t ever have a disease like this, because I wont feel sorry for you one bit.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posting impersonal, blatant 'copy and paste' messages never does go down well here, which is probably the main reason why that post now has a shiny red blob above it. It might be a good cause but your message reads like a generic piece of marketing spiel (because that's what it is).

Just as you wouldn't walk up to someone in a pub and open with 'Dear Sir/Madam' it doesn't fly here.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also might help if riding round the 'UK' didn't mean England and the border of Wales Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattyuk49 wrote:
Seriously man, Are you kids or adults?

Off all places I would of expected a little more support then to act like it’s a joking matter. I’m disgusted to be honest lads. And for those 1 or 2 off you with trying to be funny, sorry but just hope you don’t ever have a disease like this, because I wont feel sorry for you one bit.


It's a pretty big assumption, isn't it, that only someone who has never had illnesses could make such remarks?

I've had plenty of cancer scares in my family. Unlike others, I don't fall for the scare mongering tactics of Cancer LTD. I think CRUK, like all major charities, does VERY LITTLE of worth. It spends most of its funds on fund raising, ensuring an ever growing budget that never seems to get spent on anything but the most pointless research. CRUK spends peanuts, for example, on prevention - even though the UN acknowledges that 75-90% of cancers are preventable. Why the discrepancy? 'os there's no money to be made in encouraging exercise and godd eating. CRUK'S pr is fucking genius and rivals anything from NIke, Reeebox, etc.

I wasn't trying to be amusing, but political. I have never worked for CRUK, but I have worked as a "Professional fundraiser" for many major UK charities - I can tell you, it's a scam. Most of the money raised, just paid mine and my colleagues extensive salary... If I was still doing it for a living, I'd encourage you to keep it up! FOR neary a year I essentially conned people out of their money, like any other sales person. Trust me, very little money raised goes to the 'cause' - always research a charity before donating a penny and don't fall for clever sales ads and techniques.

Support a local orphanage which has NO FUNDS - not a charity that has a nesting egg of hundreds of millions already.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattyuk49 wrote:
just hope you don’t ever have a disease like this, because I wont feel sorry for you one bit.


Nice attitude from a "charridee" sponger. You really need to work on your people skills...
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
mattyuk49 wrote:
just hope you don’t ever have a disease like this, because I wont feel sorry for you one bit.


Nice attitude from a "charridee" sponger. You really need to work on your people skills...


people on here obviously havn't got any

steppen22 wrote:
It's a pretty big assumption, isn't it, that only someone who has never had illnesses could make such remarks?

I've had plenty of cancer scares in my family


what the hell do you expect, hes a 16 year old lad that lost his mum to cancer last year and wants to try and do somthing that might make a difference and all you lot do is pop along and give him shite and knock him down.

any normal person would have either
A. said nothing and just ignored the post
B. said thanks but no thanks and left it at that

did he really deserve the remarks that you lot gave him, no i dont think so.
i nursed my wife while she was slowly slipping away with cancer (4 months from being diagnosed) tubes bags all attached and if i can help stop just 1 family in the whole world going through that then it would be very worth while.
if everyone in the world had the same attitude f**k cancer research and give your money to the local charites, then alot of suffering would continue as not all cancers can be cured.
i have been reading posts on this forum for sometime and after this and the attitude you lot have given to a teenager then i would not want to be part of this forum.
all i can say now is i hope you all feel proud of yourselves.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbr1100xx wrote:

any normal person would have either
A. said nothing and just ignored the post
B. said thanks but no thanks and left it at that

To start with, if this is the case, he didn't make it clear that he might be sensitive about the issues and so can't reasonably expect people to tip-toe around the issues.

However, the issues that steppen makes are something I've often wondered about in relation to big charities.
It seems that if you really want to help those that might suffer from cancer, the time spent acquiring money to donate would be much better spent educating others about how to genuinely reduce their chances of suffering.

I'd say that is actually useful advice that a decent person would offer, rather than letting someone try and raise money for a cause that may not be nearly as 'just' as they believe.

If I was doing something like this, I would certainly want to be made aware of such possibly-serious moral issues.

I appreciate the original poster may have had a hard time, but that doesn't mean that he can expect to get away without putting much work into advertising his charity effort, to my mind.
Hopefully he will go away and investigate the issues brought up here, as well as consider how he can approach people more successfully.
It doesn't really matter, in the long run, if people are being rude to you or not, in a venture like this you want their support/money regardless, so it's worth considering ways that you can approach them with out winding them up.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit, I feel a little uneasy with my comments. Obviously I had no idea that the poster was as described.

Although I fully understand - as much as that's possible - the posters' situation, I still fail to see how cancer can be beaten by riding up and down the country on a motorbike*. My point is: it's all been done. We've been raising funds for CRUK for years - sponsered walks, races, silences, etc - . You name it, it's been done. Aint changed anything.

How many more millions must CRUK rake in before people realise they are being had? If you give, give, give and all you see in return is... requests for more, more, more... time to ask a few questions, methinks.

Want a decent cancer charity to support?
Marie Curie Cancer Care.


*glib point. If anything, the pollution will increase cancer.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattyuk49 wrote:
Seriously man, Are you kids or adults?

Off all places I would of expected a little more support then to act like it’s a joking matter. I’m disgusted to be honest lads. And for those 1 or 2 off you with trying to be funny, sorry but just hope you don’t ever have a disease like this, because I wont feel sorry for you one bit.


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PostPosted: 16:54 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chernobyl disaster is probably the biggest cause of cancer all over Europe! blame the russians! Mr. Green

On a serious note though, making money out of peoples misfortunes is just taking the biscuit really.

Marie Curie Cancer Care are a good charity, and all we have to do is pop into Tesco (who are donating money to them) or something, rather than trek round the 'UK', probably causing more cancer by emissions or something silly like that.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck with the ride Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
Good luck with the ride Thumbs Up


Thank you Joe

alec_h wrote:

causing more cancer by emissions


take it you don't ride a bike then if you are worried about them causing more problems with emissions
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't really give a shit about emissions, it was just a thought really, for all those who do care about emissions or whatever Smile
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 15 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have ever worked for a Cancer research company you might find it interesting to see how much of the money you donate does not go on the actual research but on band wagon that rolls such companies. Its a bit like christian aid and Oxfam advertising on the TV at the moment..... where do they get the money to do that? Personally I wanted my money to go direct to the people that need it.... not on PR, Adverts, nice carpets and curtains for their offices.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 15 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

but saying all that.... you can't knock someone for trying to make a difference about something that means a lot to them. IF this teenager had been effected then they will try to do something about it and any negativity that gets posted on here will not stop them and not everyone will have the same opinion. Some will chose to ride and support the cause and some will not. The only bit I don't agree with is taking a salary from money donated..... but I guess if that didn't happen then we would not be able to save so many cancer suffers every year. IMO its money better spent to donate to charity than to sponsor some of these bikers that go off on things like Enduro India. Each rider has to raise £4k and only £1.5k gets to the charity.... where does the rest go?

Anyways that's my 2p worth
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