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PostPosted: 17:24 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Been screwed over on a job...want to screw the f*cker back Reply with quote

I've been had off by a bloke who claims to be a company over a weeks work and he wont pay. I can't find the company anywhere, even google doesn't know of them. Does this mean they are not quite legit? I do know a way to find their/his address as he advertised on the jobcentre website (albeit a bit differently to what the job entailed)

Anyway I want to screw him right back in every way I can, but I don't know where to start.....

He has my address so I can't beat the shit out of him or go and wreck the work I've done or he will be turning up with a clan on my doorstep.

Any suggestions...?

Can and who do I report him to for being unregistered business?
Public liability insurance?
He definately made me break many H&S rules regarding ladders, grinders and PPE, will H&S be interested?

Oh and for the record his name is Mr. Ibrahim and he advertises as "Staffs Housing" (a well known housing firm). Which he isn't, when you ask questions he is actually "Staffs housing services ltd" supposedly based in Manchester but with properties all over.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:17 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obvious answer......... Smash his head on a rock.

The moral answer.......Smash his head on a rock.

The sensible answer...Smash his head on a rock.

The best answer.........Smash his head on a rock.


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PostPosted: 18:18 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Re: Been screwed over on a job...want to screw the f*cker ba Reply with quote

Scouse wrote:

Mr. Ibrahim


Lesson learnt I suppose, don't deal with the filthy scum.

Just leave it a few months and go trash something of his.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Re: Been screwed over on a job...want to screw the f*cker ba Reply with quote

Scouse wrote:
I do know a way to find their/his address as he advertised on the jobcentre website (albeit a bit differently to what the job entailed)

Erm, report him to the Jobcentre and HMRC, as he's probably not paid the NI contributions either. Presumably H&S laws were not the only ones he broke, but he also employed illegal immigrants, and if he paid anybody, it was below the minimum wage with no NIC taken out? Wink

Then you report him to the real Staffs Housing, as he's impersonating them. They might want to take action against him.

Check Companies House for details about his company; you should get an address. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what fun you can have with that information...
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he really is limited then the companies house website will give you their registered adderss for free and for £2 a bit more info.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom_ wrote:
Lesson learnt I suppose, don't deal with the filthy scum


Tell me about it, I was always iffy but trusted it as I thought it really was staffs housing

paivi wrote:
Check Companies House for details


What a surprise he isn't on there Rolling Eyes

Just sent an Email to Staffs housing. Roll on tuesday for the rest Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah for the heath and safety side of things mate, i wouldnt report that now it's been done because you are responsible for yourself (cscs test).
i hate none payers (havnt had it happen to me but its common in the building game), it's hard to suggest what to do, do you know anyone that could do a days work for him and accedently cause some damage? (crap on carpets,ladders through windows etc)
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id go do somethinh structurally to the work you did,
like fuck up load bearing wall, and when he calls you asking why its fell down you tell him in this game you get what you pay for, you pay me nothing you get a bollocks job Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hide some childporn and drugs in his house, then phone the police.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Id go do somethinh structurally to the work you did,
like fuck up load bearing wall, and when he calls you asking why its fell down you tell him in this game you get what you pay for, you pay me nothing you get a bollocks job Middle Finger


I have just been on a job where I never got paid and he tried messing with all my tax after he eventually paid me. Should I go back and destroy a load bearing wall in the home of a family who paid to have work done?

I would have thought of that as cuntish to be honest.

It might piss the other bloke off but what on earth is there to gain from destroying someone else's property?

Do people have no brains anymore?
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As youd be breaking his property unless they bought it outright

Being a apprentice i work for little money which im not happy about, but if i get underpayed or not paid i kick off as its more princible of being rewarded for all your hard work rather than fobbed off.

If you believe you dont deserve the money you worked your arse off for then fair enough,
but if you do stand up for your rights and do something hes going to notice.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
As youd be breaking his property unless they bought it outright

Oh yeah sorry I forgot about that law which states that the house builder is responsible for all damage to houses afterwards. Rolling Eyes
He has said the bloke has his name and address, the first thing to come to mind would be who has a grudge? A nice spell in prison ensues and if people own the house (outright or on mortgage) its their property.


tutton wrote:

Being a apprentice i work for little money which im not happy about


So yoru not happy about the job you have only just started....AND?.....What does that have to do with self employed people in the building trade not getting paid, it happens all the time and its shit.


tutton wrote:

If you believe you dont deserve the money you worked your arse off for then fair enough,
but if you do stand up for your rights and do something hes going to notice.

Rolling Eyes

As I just told you I have, and scouse is trying to but wants to know how, and destroying a house is not the option is it.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if he dosnt do something drastic like that he probably wont cause any impact on the cunt who wont pay him will he.

Im happy about the job,
just not bout the wages, but its the same for all apprentices.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
But if he dosnt do something drastic like that he probably wont cause any impact on the cunt who wont pay him will he.


There are other ways what good is a weeks wage whilst launguishing in prison for years?

I got my money by threatening to take all his tools and van after a row with him and just walked off, funnily enough he has sorted all my tax out properly as well and I am back at work on tuesday, builders who dont pay quite often get the threat of tools being taken away, if they are sensible they will realise that it will cost them more money than just paying the wage.

Taking the tools happens as well, sell em on quick for cheap and get your money, as long as you only take what you are owed and don't make a profit then I see no moral issue with it either. And its a lot easier not to get caught, builders tools are stolen quite often and pikey's are easy to blame as they never get nicked.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Being a apprentice i work for little money which im not happy about, but if i get underpayed or not paid i kick off as its more princible of being rewarded for all your hard work rather than fobbed off.


You work for little money because you are an apprentice. Do you get paid to go to college?

And I'm not classing EMA as getting paid. Then again, even if you do the maximum you can get is £30 a week.

A lot of other people would probably like that apprenticeship. I know if I owned a business and an apprentice moaned at me about his pay he'd get sacked in an instant and I'd hire someone else that appreciates the opportunity they have been given.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont get me wrong its alright,
but for the amount of work i do, i should earn so much more.
and i only used to get 10 pound ema and only get that if i turned up to every lessson and on time...

Think i get something around 2.75 per hour, but im making the company alot of money for every job i do. and i had to work to get in that apprenticeship wasnt easy, had to make decisions to loose a years worth of work at college and the like Wink
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 04 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Dont get me wrong its alright,
but for the amount of work i do, i should earn so much more.
and i only used to get 10 pound ema and only get that if i turned up to every lessson and on time...

Think i get something around 2.75 per hour, but im making the company alot of money for every job i do. and i had to work to get in that apprenticeship wasnt easy, had to make decisions to loose a years worth of work at college and the like Wink


On my Saturday job working in a garage I'm only getting about £3 an hour and that's not even on an apprenticeship. I don't mind doing it though as it's good experience and fun to do.

£2.75 an hour isn't bad for an apprenticeship.
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Think i get something around 2.75 per hour, but im making the company alot of money for every job i do. and i had to work to get in that apprenticeship wasnt easy, had to make decisions to loose a years worth of work at college and the like Wink



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And that is from the budget in Sept 2007.
So if you are only getting £2.75 he is underpaying you......

While you may think he is making a lot of money from you, he is also investing a lot in you. Add in he is letting a unskilled (no offence) person lose on someones property, who think a fully trained person is doing the work, so any problems and things you fail to do can cost him big style.

Of course you should only get the EMA when you turn up on time.... Only like being at work.

At the end of the day you are going to come out fully trained. At least you seen to understand that you won't be earning the same rate yet....
Its the kids who think they can swan into a job and earn the same as timeserved people, and then kick off when they don't, totally take the piss by never turning up as they fancy a day off and then moan they are over worked and the boss is a jerk coz he docked the pay when they were pulling a sickie.....
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

And that is from the budget in Sept 2007.
So if you are only getting £2.75 he is underpaying you......


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From pay reference periods starting on or after 1 October 2006 the special rules for apprentices will be extended to apprentices aged over 25. This will mean that:

Apprentices under age 19 will not qualify for the national minimum wage
Apprentices over age 19 and in the first 12 months of their apprenticeship will not qualify for the national minimum wage.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bazza you sad little man can you please tell me how my post was abusive?

Yet MORE internet stalking from the closet homosexual who so obviously fancies me.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said apparently apprenticeships can underpay for some reason not sure why. Im not really unskilled as ive done a years training as im level 1 body and paint qualified, altho normal apprentices would start from level 0 and no skills yet i think there going to remake me do from level 0 due to being a new training provider. So its less likely for me to cock something up big enough to cost money,

On the ema front i just find it was a bit unreasonable i had to attend over 20 hours of college just for 10 pound, didnt really make me feel like there was any point going, apart from getting the training.

Funny in which things work as the cleaner/car mover gets paid 20p less a hour doing a unqualified job than what the level 3 painter who had been doing it for 6 years gets paid. work that one out Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
As said apparently apprenticeships can underpay for some reason not sure why.


The reason is simple.....Its not underpay, its apprentice pay. If you dont like it do what I did and fuck it of and go and earn what you consider good money. Personally looking back I would stick as you are though. I just wish I had listened to the people round me when I was your age.

tutton wrote:

didnt really make me feel like there was any point going, apart from getting the training.


The training is the whole point.

tutton wrote:

Funny in which things work as the cleaner/car mover gets paid 20p less a hour doing a unqualified job than what the level 3 painter who had been doing it for 6 years gets paid. work that one out Laughing


The labourer at my last engineering job got paid 8 pound 50 and hour, just to load wagons. Its called a boss giving a fair wage.
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