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PostPosted: 02:34 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Zeitgeist, The Movie *This Effects Everyone* Reply with quote

Tonight I watched this documentary, which has opened my mind completely.

Which I can comfortably say will also be amongst the most important things you will EVER witness.

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&hl=en

This is a 3 part movie...

The 1st Part is mainly about religion (Christianity)

The 2nd Part is mainly about the 9/11 Conspiracy

And The 3rd Part is mainly about the Federal Reserve, The central bank, the power that controls you, me and society as we know it.

Most of the issues in this Movie i was already aware of to some degree, but they way in which this movie describes/explains/re-inforces/establishes these in your mind, it will send chills down your spine, and truly change your perspective forever.

I Wont say much more about it, because I wont be able to word how relevant this documentary is to everyone.

But if you have a spare 2 hours, spend it well right here..
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PostPosted: 04:32 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks interesting! Post it in the Found on The 'Net section.

thanks.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shall I bring my tinfoil hat?
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow....that was heavy.... Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG! (or not as it may seem!)

I can never watch a film without fidgeting, dozing off, getting a drink etc, but I have sat and watched that for 2 hours from start to finish.

Although I've heard much of it before, it's the first time I've seen how everything all fits together.

Well worth a watch Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 03 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should also check out Loose Change, available in parts on youtube or get the whole thing from torrentspy
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loose change was a very good watch IMO.
It just throws so much doubt into the 9/11 - Well worth a watch.
That said video, was also good.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loose Change is also available on video.google.com

Theres no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was done by America themselves.

Its what The Ziegiest said about Vietnam, Iraq, War and money it all just makes too much sense.

For instance, why did America Set these Laws/Restrictions/Boundaries up During the vietnam war, and release the details of them to the world. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
Loose Change is also available on video.google.com

Theres no doubt in my mind that 9/11 was done by America themselves.
Confused


Christ on a bike! You are so easily bloody led aren't you.
Are there any adults here? FFS! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you can prove otherwise..

why dont you stop being ignorant..
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
Unless you can prove otherwise..

why dont you stop being ignorant..


You believe all this conspiracy bullshit, and it's ME that's ignorant. I really don't know wether to laugh or cry. Stupidity knows no bounds.

Carry on. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
FIRE_NSR wrote:
Unless you can prove otherwise..

why dont you stop being ignorant..


You believe all this conspiracy bullshit, and it's ME that's ignorant. I really don't know wether to laugh or cry. Stupidity knows no bounds.

Carry on. Rolling Eyes


Mockery gets you nowhere unless you can lay down the facts that prove otherwise
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:


Mockery gets you nowhere unless you can lay down the facts that prove otherwise


No, no. You carry on. If you believe that those are the facts, that's fine with me.
I've got a life to enjoy.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

No no, since you have invited yourself into this thread.

Why dont you stay and back up your argument instead of being so patronising.

If you can explain the Plane and the Pentagon and how the WTC collapased, I will dis-regard the 9/11 conspiracy completely.

If you so sure of yourself. this wont be a problem.

After all, i want to believe that this isnt true, im not a crazy person. I dont have a vendetta against the world. I want to belive there is justice in the world where it NEEDS to be.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
No no, since you have invited yourself into this thread.

Why dont you stay and back up your argument instead of being so patronising.

If you can explain the Plane and the Pentagon and how the WTC collapased, I will dis-regard the 9/11 conspiracy completely.

If you so sure of yourself. this wont be a problem.

After all, i want to believe that this isnt true, im not a crazy person. I dont have a vendetta against the world. I want to belive there is justice in the world where it NEEDS to be.


For crying out loud. The facts of 9/11 are easily available, and we've been through this conspiracy crap time and time again. I'm not trawling the net for your benefit. You believe what you want to believe.
There was a programme on tv a while back, concerning why the twin towers collapsed. It involved the company or architect that designed/built them.
They went into very great detail, using computer graphics etc, as to why the collapse happened, and why it would not have happened to an older skyscraper. And if you have even a little knowledge of skyscraper design, you could see how true it was.
There is going to be constant conspiracy theories about 9/11 for decades, and lapped up by the gullible.
Virtually every catastrophic event, has had a conspiracy theory. The net is very useful, but it also has a lot to answer for.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would trust Popular Mechanics before I'd trust a group of kids with a video camera and over-active imaginations.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=2

and there are more sites out there I have come across with even more compelling evidence to debunk these conspiracy myths.

I just can't be bothered pandering to naive sensationalist conspiracy believing pillocks who will take on someone's opinion as fact until prioven otherwise, withouit questioning that opinion first.

interestingly enough, that's also the first step taken by most people when they get taken in by a cult.. they believe what they are told without questioning it because it 'makes sense' and then require proof to the contrary, rather than questioning what they were told in the first place.


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PostPosted: 13:59 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
I would trust Popular Mechanics before I'd trust a group of kids with a video camera and over-active imaginations.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=2

and there are more sites out there I have come across with even more compelling evidence to debunk these conspiracy myths.

I just can't be bothered pandering to naive sensationalist conspiracy believing pillocks who will take on someone's opinion as fact until prioven otherwise, withouit questioning that opinion first.

interestingly enough, that's also the first step taken by most people when they get taken in by a cult.. they believe what they are told without questioning it because it 'makes sense' and then require proof to the contrary, rather than questioning what they were told in the first place.


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Feef, that's one of the sites I looked at some time back, but couldn't be arsed to find it. Cheers. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of interest, have either of you seen Loose Change? I think everyone is entitled to beleive what they want but you should not judge others, especially if you are ill-informed. All the claims made in Loose Change can actually be backed up as fact and not fiction. There are interviews from the firefighters who were at the scene describing a lot more than secondary explosions for christs sake!

There is too much evidence to all point towards a conincidence in my oppinion. far too much. I'm not saying what is suggested (an inside job etc) is true but it does seem highly likely given the facts. I'm a lot more open to question the things we are told because of this, because it isn't exactly far fetched and is highly possible.

Watch the film, make up your own mind

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interestingly enough, that's also the first step taken by most people when they get taken in by a cult.. they believe what they are told without questioning it because it 'makes sense' and then require proof to the contrary, rather than questioning what they were told in the first place.


Feef, isn't this exactly what happens when a government tells us something? Don't the majority of people just beleive it? In some way, and precisley because of this reaction you could liken government to a cult. You do as you're told and beleive what I say without question.

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PostPosted: 14:12 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SilvaRizla wrote:
Just out of interest, have either of you seen Loose Change?


yes. I have.

Loose change set out with the aim of proving their conspiracy theory.

They took selective quotes and interviews that serves their purpose and actively refused to interview people who had evidence to debunk their theories.

They were also very selective in the empirical evidence they used, ensuring it could provide factual backing to the opinions and ideas they were trying to prove.

Just as people in here can twist arguments and quote out of context to suit their own aims, Loose Change was a film of almost entirely that.

Don't forget that Dylan Avery's purpose of the film was to 'prove that 9/11 was an inside job'. he didn't gain the information and evidence and then decide to make a film to expose it. He set out to make a film to prove an idea.

Also remember, that Avery had been refused admission to several film schools prior to coming up with this idea. What better way to become a film maker if you can't get into college, that to become infamous?

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PostPosted: 14:19 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely accept what you're saying and I also agree to some extent, I can't agree fully as I haven't whitnessed the extent of "selectiveness" which you describe.

However, quotes from 3rd parties + facts (especially the quote on missiles hitting the pentagon from some senator, and no aircraft debris on the lawn) is enough for me to acknowledge the possibility of it being an inside job and even sway me towards beleiving that is probably what happened
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SilvaRizla wrote:
I completely accept what you're saying and I also agree to some extent, I can't agree fully as I haven't whitnessed the extent of "selectiveness" which you describe.

However, quotes from 3rd parties + facts (especially the quote on missiles hitting the pentagon from some senator, and no aircraft debris on the lawn) is enough for me to acknowledge the possibility of it being an inside job and even sway me towards beleiving that is probably what happened


read the link I posted:
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CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?


https://media.popularmechanics.com/images/0305911-flight77-lg.jpg

Looks like bits of planes to me.

now tell me you believe the selective quoting of a failed film student over the experience and testimony of a qualified and respected engineer?

Give him a call,
001202 833 8622 Thats the number for KCE Structural Engineering.

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep! Looks like a plane part to me as well.
What a lot of people don't realise is, a plane is built to be structurally very strong, but light. Aluminium and plastics are used in abundance on a plane, and if that plane was to hit a solid structure at high speed, in this case the twin towers or the Pentagon, a very large portion, if not most of said plane, vapourises.
That means, there is very little left of it. The same goes for the poor fuckers on board.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're correct, yes it does. Infact I'd go as far to say it probably is some part of a plane. Doesn't really look like you're average plane crash though does it? (Yes I know your average plane crash doesn't involve the Pentagon for the quick-witted out there) I find it very dificult to beleive that the main parts of it disintegrated as claimed.

We really could argue about this all day, because as far as I can gather the quotes you've provided are there to disprove conspiracy theories, there are also quotes supporting the conspiracy.

Sorry I haven't checked the link you provided, I'm in work and don't want to run the risk without visiting it at home first (we have this "red-hand" filtering software).

I guess we'll never know the truth, there are certainly questionable areas of the whole thing and CCTV is available which will prove what happened to the Pentagon but it hasn't been released. There are reasons for this that can support the conspiracy theory, and are also in no way related.

It just depends what you beleive, you seem like a fairly switched on guy (or gal) capable of discussing this, so I'll view your information later on and get back to you
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh.. and Loose Change didn't include the Pentagon's own CCTV footage, nor the security camera footage from other, non-government buildings around the area showing the plane crashing into the building.

Well.. understandable.. no point in bringing simple things like facts into their film now, is there? Wink

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PostPosted: 14:41 - 04 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SilvaRizla wrote:
It just depends what you beleive, you seem like a fairly switched on guy (or gal) capable of discussing this, so I'll view your information later on and get back to you


I studied mechanica engineering at university, and flight & spaceflight was my strongest and preferred topic.

My dad is also a Civil engineer, and sits on both BSI and ISO commitees for various things.

from my own knowledge of aircraft design, and my father's experience in civil engineering, I could debunk most of the ideas myself. However, as I'm not a respected figure, and just 'another guy on the forum' I can understand that my "opinions" are worth no more than anyone else's on here

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