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 Posted: 11:01 - 20 May 2008  Post subject: Congestion charging fiddles |
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Hi
Found this press release.
https://www.abd.org.uk/pr/621.htm
Basically seems that the congestion charge is being pushed for by organisations that know how unpopular the idea is and and coming up with solutions to prevent people successfully objecting.
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Fifteen UK councils implicated in EU Backed Road Pricing skulduggery.
The Association of British Drivers (ABD) has discovered that fifteen UK councils are implicated with an EU funded organisation which advocates underhand and undemocratic means to railroad through road pricing schemes in the face of massive public opposition.
CURACAO (Coordination of urban road-user charging organizational issues) states that its aim is "to create the conditions for reaching the tipping point for the widespread adoption of road pricing in European Urban Cities," [1]
CURACAO names Bristol City Council as one of their key partners, with Notts, Derbys, Leics, and their Three Cities, Tyne and Weir, Durham, Cambridgeshire, Cardiff, Plymouth, Shropshire, Belfast and, of course, Ken Livingstone's TfL as all involved.
CURACAO advises councils to use various tricks to push through road pricing schemes, including:
 Promising low charges then rapidly increasing them once the scheme is in place.
False "trial periods" to make people think the scheme will be re-evaluated when there is no such intention.
Avoiding referenda (like the one in Edinburgh) at all costs.
Using a psychological trick called "Dissonance Theory" to make people believe that road pricing is inevitable and that "resistance is futile". This also induces effects like less anger, less resistance, weaker intentions to protect their freedoms. In other words their minds should be manipulated.
ABD East Midlands Congestion Charge Coordinator Keith Peat says: 'If council officials are involved in a covert mind bending exercise to manipulate public and politicians alike into accepting congestion charging then it is an extremely worrying development.'
The ABD is against road pricing in all its forms because it:
is a regressive tax which is unfair on low earners. This is now acknowledged by CURACAO officials too.
cannot work at reducing congestion without punitive charges which will harm the economy.
will incur huge collection costs which will have to be paid on top of existing motoring taxes.
uses infrastructure inefficiently as the M6 Toll shows.
involves keeping detailed records of people's movements.
distracts attention from the need to improve transport infrastructure and to plan for less need to travel in the economy.
ABD Chairman Brian Gregory added: 'Perhaps the CURACAO advice should be entitled "How to Defeat Democracy"'
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Notes for editors:
[1] www.curacaoproject.eu
The Curacao scheme draws together experience from previous European congestion charge projects including PROGRESS which featured failed attempts to introduce congestion charging in Bristol and Edinburgh.
Cities have access to;
A project Website
Database of good practices
Case Study results
A state of the art 'how to' hand book; ('SoA')
In 2006 a questionnaire was sent to 42 cities asking what were the barriers to road pricing in their city. Among the 22 cities who replied were Nottingham and Manchester who identified PUBLIC OPPOSITION as the biggest barrier.
The advice to local UK officials to overcome public opposition includes:
1) To make people feel that they must bow to the inescapable by a psychological effect they call the Dissonance Theory. This also induces effects like less anger, less resistance, weaker intentions to protect their freedoms. In other words their minds should be manipulated. (SoA 10.3.1.4 and acceptability paper graph)
Quote: 'They show that persons with a strong convictions that road pricing will be introduced indeed developed more positive attitudes than persons who were less convinced of an early introduction. However, the authors explain the results on the basis of the theory of cognitive dissonance (Festinger, 1957) which predicts that people increase the attractiveness of an unavoidable event in order to maintain a consistent cognitive belief system. Once, RUC is decided or looks likely to happen and citizens can no longer avoid it, their attitudes towards charging become more positive (needs to be further validated)'.
'According to dissonance theory the introduction of road pricing evokes feelings of cognitive dissonance .However, this is only the case, if the introduction is (perceived as) inescapable.' 'Persons who got the impression that the introduction of road pricing is almost inescapable report:
weaker social norms against the toll
less negative emotions like anger
a lower importance of toll free use of infrastructure.
a weaker infringement of freedom.
weaker motivations (intentions) to defend or restore personal freedom e.g. by taking action against the toll.
These politicians have all claimed that road pricing is inevitable and that 'Doing nothing is not an option'
Ruth Kelly 24th September 2007
Douglas Alexander, Telegraph 16 Feb. 2007
Sir Richard Leese, 2007
Alasdair Darling, June 2003.
2) To get the media and other key stakeholders on side at an early stage. What inducements are to be offered is left to the imagination.
3) Officials are advised of the risk of holding a referendum because referenda risks are too high and gives the public an option to escape. In addition a negative result could impair the prospects of other schemes elsewhere in Europe' 'Referenda are still a game with very high stakes (people have the chance "to escape" ..)'. 'a referendum just before the last steps of the scheme introduction is very likely to hit the lowest level of support, and therefore runs the greatest risk of failure.' (SoA 10.3.2)
4) European experience suggests that the charge should start low and be increased over time if necessary
'.In a similar vein experiences from the PRIMA case cities indicate that rather low starting levels are needed and that the charges can be increased successively to meet financial requirements' (Harsman, 2003) (SoA 10.3.1.3).
To have a Champion or figure head leader of the politicians to take ownership of the scheme. And to preserve the politicians by having a trial period then a referendum when it is most likely to succeed. 'They (politicians) may avoid a clear commitment to the scheme, especially if they are not sure about the outcome of the political process. But a lacking strong political commitment acts as a benchmark for other stakeholders. Their attitude may become more negative as well. This also contributed to a slower or even stopped introduction. In this situation a political champion or figurehead, who takes ownership of the congestion charging concept clearly facilitates the implementation process. However, unlike the officials involved in the preparation of any scheme, politicians depend on re-election, and the fear of losing elections by promoting road user charging holds many politicians back.' (SoA 10.3.2).
To 'Consider how to implement the scheme against the majority of voters and car drivers: Considering the social dilemma situation, 'how to implement RUC against the initial majority of voters and car drivers?' (Acceptability paper. ((3)) Plans for future research).
The authors acknowledge that the biggest impact of Congestion Charging is on the poor. 'Firstly it is likely that the wealthy experience greater costs than the poor; since wealthy people are more likely to drive cars than the poor, they pay more under road pricing. However, one could also equally and validly argue that the poor experience greater costs than the wealthy; since the toll is a flat rate tax, a disproportionate share of their income is required to pay road pricing fees. This technically makes the flat road pricing charge "regressive".In addition, the poor are less able to alter their driving times to avoid peak period travel to incur the highest charges. A general conclusion from various studies is that low-income car users or less-flexible car users (e.g. based on gender or flexibility of working schedule) are likely to be the worst-off groupsas a result of road pricing. In addition, it is possible to argue that the wealthy experience greater benefits than the poor since by definition, the wealthy possess a higher value of time and will be less likely to be "tolled off". Equally valid though is the counter-argument that the poor experience greater benefits than the wealthy because the poor are more likely to use public transport and therefore less affected by the cost of road pricing...' (SoA 9.3.1)
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and what else is new? , what do you expect from the scum that rises to the top of society? ,
I've said time and again it is time for a purge of all councils , I don't mean executions, as executions are too fast and effective I mean that they should be tortured to death slowly.
To prevent genepool contamination of their wicked genes same for their children too.
Anybody who then afterwards wants to be a politician is executed by torture.
And yes I realise the irony ie to destroy evil by performing evil....
But hey 2015 when road pricing starts nobody'll be able to afford to drive anyway with month on month increases of 5p a month petrol will be £4.20 a litre, hell at 1.16 a litre people are starting to alter their behaviours.
2015 UK will resemble 1970s China everybody will be on Bicycles I wonder how they will put a tax on that ? ,
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 Ah how the tides are changing.
Last year most people on here wouldn't believe anything like this was happening. Now people are starting to realise..
Side note: By the time any of these schemes are implemented most people won't be able to afford petrol anyway due to Dollar inflation.
Ah dear, may as well laugh as we descend into the hell they've created...
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Bleugh well I thought you were pisstaking. Maybe I should be asleep..
Oh and by the way do you know what was agreed at last years Bilderberg meeting?
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Too many deeply damaging releases of info for me to believe that is the case here. While there may be those around who would like to manipulate governments, if they are powerful enough to do it then they are almost certainly bright enough to avoid getting involved directly with such a bunch of incompetents.
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nope thats just scortched earth policy , Labour does this to make the lives of the tories more difficult, ie a pyrric victory in defeat.
And anyway screwing things up works in favor of MPs, there are simple solutions to many things ie tax instead of tax credits raise the PA to 10K, but no lets outsource it to EDS who overruns the budget by a factor of 2000% , and when we are booted out of government mysteriously 50% of the 2000% overspend happens to conviently land in their pockets.
Ie the washington white house incident when the British army burnt down the white house rebuilding it , the project manager went to shops how much is that chair? , $5 he said sorry I'm sure you meant $500 ...
Ie oops ID cards need another upgrade oh thats another 13bn the government needs to spend .,....
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"We shall have World Government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
James Warburg, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, US. 1950
In 1954 the Bilderberg group had their first ever meeting at the hotel of the same name in Holland. The Bilderberg group have subsequently publically admitted that one of their founding goals was to create the European Union, firstly as a trade deal, then as a single state.
But of course, none of this is real and never happened. 
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| Kris wrote: | Beginning to feel the slow constrictive squeeze of ever tighter regulations and more and more taxes yet? That's a system mate, even if you can't spot a pattern that is that obvious. They wrote about bringing in the Carbon taxes in the 70's. No shady talk, but rather black and white text in published documents.
I'd expect no less of your generation than a mocking at anyone who points out the frequent arrival of these new taxes and regulations, all the while bemoaning about them to everyone else.
Well, when you realise your pension isn't worth shit and slave labour from abroad is doing your IT job; perhaps you may realise the published policies were being implemented after all.
Then again, probably not.  |
Please enlighten the rest of us downtrodden proles - your gleeful "I-told-you-so-ha-ha-ha" caperings are achieving what, exactly?
'Cause I'm just about ready to rise up and throw off my shackles, see? I'm sure I'm not the only one, either. But we just need to be led along the path to righteousness, so what would you have us do, oh mighty, all-seeing Prophet of Doom?
Give us a sign.
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Not much I can advise Bazza, other than the obvious.
Rather than being petulent with me, how about you do some research on the globalist's agenda for a change?
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That really is paranoia. Yes small groups are out to get people. Hardly evidence of global conspiracies.
Quite how you think that a western financial power base would gain from destroying western finances and handing over power to developing groups (which is the almost certain result of trying to heavily control the population) is difficult to understand.
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Keith; before we continue on this thread I'd like you to acknowledge the fact that the Bilderberg group's actual 'existance' was denied and was widely considered a conspiracy theory and that it has since been proven that the Bilderberg group does exist.
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