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PostPosted: 22:33 - 24 May 2008    Post subject: Hornet 600 - petrol and petrol light Reply with quote

So I have gone from an nsr125 to a honda hornet 600, and am already noticing that the hornet guzzles down the petrol! on £15 im getting 130 miles and then have to turn the valve to RES ( The petrol light at this point still hasnt come on) and about a mile or so after turning to RES the petrol light comes, why doesnt it come on before it runs out when turned to ON and why is the hornet eating so much petrol. I could get 100 miles plus on £8 with my nsr.
Is this for all hornets and big bikes and im going through the adjustment period?
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 24 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine eats it too and be grateful you have a light we dont on the older models (02)!!!!!

I get about 90 miles tops out mine, hence i dont ride it too work i use the car as I cant afford to fill it every day costs more than my damn car! (Could be a bit too much wrist action Laughing)

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PostPosted: 22:54 - 24 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only have a speedo on my hornet, so its a case of remembering to leave the fuel tap to "on" and i get about 90-100 miles till reserve, which is about another 10-15 miles, Hornets have a crap tank range...

I would say 130 miles for 15 quid in todays petrol prices is quite good on a hornet...

As to your NSR, 600cc needs more juice than 125 quite simply... welcome to the pocket of the oil men Wink
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 24 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

jesus, i was always under the impression bikes were more economical. The hornet proves this seriously wrong. Wouldnt want to know what the sport bikes get out of £15...
I am just going to leave the bike on RES and wait for the light to come on. Is it worth getting a fuel filter?
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 24 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSRdude wrote:
jesus, i was always under the impression bikes were more economical. The hornet proves this seriously wrong. Wouldnt want to know what the sport bikes get out of £15...
I am just going to leave the bike on RES and wait for the light to come on. Is it worth getting a fuel filter?


Bah some bikes are more economical I can get an easy 180 miles out of the NTV and it runs rich too, I've heard people get 220 miles out of 19 litres , cruising at 60 all day long.
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PostPosted: 06:46 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most I've got out of my hornet (2000 model) is 125 miles to reserve. It's not THAT bad to be honest. Some bikes are economical, and some aren't. I'm willing to bet that a car with the same performance stats would do less miles to the gallon.

Not to steal the topic but I'd like to ask (If you don't mind) why when I run out of petrol on my hornet and (usually) can't find the tap when I'm riding, I pull over and switch to reserve and then it takes much cranking to start? I've tried different throttle and choke combinations but with no luck. It doesn't have a prime position so i guess it's trying to fill 4 carbs with only the vacuum pipe sucking whilst you press the starter.

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PostPosted: 08:17 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try reducing the amount you turn the throttle, that may help your MPG.

Looks like you are getting around 36 ish mpg.
My divvy manages between 65 & 70 mpg Mr. Green
Then again i don't often hit the red line, keeping the rev down to sub 6K still see's illegal speeds. Spend most of the time in 30/40 limits in top at 2 to 3K, gets me there just as fast and saves a fortune in fuel costs.
I see plenty of bikers who when entering NSL whack the throttle open, try just rolling it gently, saves fuel and you are soon behind them again.
Same with stopping, think ahead and roll off the throttle and let the engine slow you rather than stand on the brakes in the last few yards.
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get about 30 mpg Embarassed

....and I'm quite happy with that considering the beating it gets Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Try reducing the amount you turn the throttle, that may help your MPG.

Looks like you are getting around 36 ish mpg.
My divvy manages between 65 & 70 mpg Mr. Green
Then again i don't often hit the red line, keeping the rev down to sub 6K still see's illegal speeds. Spend most of the time in 30/40 limits in top at 2 to 3K, gets me there just as fast and saves a fortune in fuel costs.
I see plenty of bikers who when entering NSL whack the throttle open, try just rolling it gently, saves fuel and you are soon behind them again.
Same with stopping, think ahead and roll off the throttle and let the engine slow you rather than stand on the brakes in the last few yards.


Such things also help save tyres, when I first got the CBR the throttle was an on off switch, I shredded some BT14s sharpish.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

4500rpm cruising smoothly at ~60 used to get me 200 miles out of my 12 quid on the ZZR if I was feeling cheap, haven't had a chance to try on the RST but so far it hasn't come close. FI was supposed to be more efficient but meh, few new bikes seem to be able to match an old well setup line of carbs. EU emissions and noise regulations are probably at the heart of the issue there.

As far as your hornet goes, one of the bike mags had an article about fuel efficiency on some FI and Carbed bikes a few months back, probably ride? They managed to sort a CBR600RR quite nicely with a power commander. As pricey as one is, it might well be worth the investment with fuel getting so expensive Confused
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSRdude wrote:
jesus, i was always under the impression bikes were more economical. The hornet proves this seriously wrong. Wouldnt want to know what the sport bikes get out of £15...
I am just going to leave the bike on RES and wait for the light to come on. Is it worth getting a fuel filter?


Bad idea Laughing

I've heard bad things about petrol lights. Just forget about it and ignore it. Always have the tap to on and then when the bike starts chugging just switch to reserve while riding, takes a couple of seconds and voila! You don't want to run out of petrol while on reserve. You'll have to push it next Razz

I used to get about 80 till reserve in mine Mr. Green

Also, it's common sence to think that a bigger bike with 475cc more is going to take loads more petrol Wink
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm been running an older carbed Hornet since January as a second bike/winter hack. It's been ridden pretty much every day in all weathers and done just over 3000 miles and mpg has averaged out at 53.4 over that period.

In that time, I haven't been beaten away from the lights by anything, and when in fuel saving mode, I short shift and generally don't exceed speed limits by more than 10mph. There are more skills to riding than just going as fast as possible e.g. good forward planning and smoothness go a long way in not wasting energy. Cool

The best I've ever got to reserve was 164.2 and it took 14.32l (3.15gal) to fill up. Fill up takes ages as I take it right to the brim and not just to the bottom of the filler neck.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The best I've ever got to reserve was 164.2 and it took 14.32l (3.15gal) to fill up. Fill up takes ages as I take it right to the brim and not just to the bottom of the filler neck.


Shocked

164 to reserve? Also, everytime I hit reserve and go to the petrol station I can only fill up around the 11 litres mark... and that's to the brim too.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesn't this prove you get nowt for 'owt in this world?

the OP has got a bike which is 600cc and knocks out, what, about 100bhp.

that is about 158bhp per litre then! so expect to get mid 30's to
the gallon if you use the performance.

me? i'm looking at things like CB500's or single pot 250's for my
daily commute. i've got a Honda Innova scooter in the shed waiting for when speed limits are reduced or they start rationing petrol! Mr. Green

i wonder if in the near future rather than look at top speed and
0-60 times, the most important figure people will look at will be
mpg?

if you want to get really depressed, google "peak oil" Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

alun111 wrote:

Not to steal the topic but I'd like to ask (If you don't mind) why when I run out of petrol on my hornet and (usually) can't find the tap when I'm riding, I pull over and switch to reserve and then it takes much cranking to start? I've tried different throttle and choke combinations but with no luck. It doesn't have a prime position so i guess it's trying to fill 4 carbs with only the vacuum pipe sucking whilst you press the starter.


That's pretty much it yes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If these are all hornets with the 16l tank I'm bloody amazed at 130 miles plus. Mine generally hits reserve around the 100 mark although I got there after 85 miles once a few weeks back. Neutral
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:
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The best I've ever got to reserve was 164.2 and it took 14.32l (3.15gal) to fill up. Fill up takes ages as I take it right to the brim and not just to the bottom of the filler neck.


Shocked

164 to reserve? Also, everytime I hit reserve and go to the petrol station I can only fill up around the 11 litres mark... and that's to the brim too.


The older Hornet is advertised as having a 16l capacity as you probably know, so when you fill up you've still got 5l on board (that's over a gallon in old money) which is another 40 miles if you're heavy on the right wrist or 60 for me Wink

When you start noticing the engine miss (especially on right turns) try the old 'stop and lean the bike to the left' trick. Should be good for another 20/30 miles. Thumbs Up

P.S. And while you're probably thinking I'm some daft old git, I pwned some gimp on a CBR600F yesterday, probably one of those FWBers Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 19:06 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
If these are all hornets with the 16l tank I'm bloody amazed at 130 miles plus. Mine generally hits reserve around the 100 mark although I got there after 85 miles once a few weeks back. Neutral


How much do you put in when you fill up?
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although Honda claim 16 litres it's pretty much impossible to persuade that much into the tank. It's a pretty funny shape and suffers horribly with air locks. If you fill it slowly you can fit a bit more in, the most I've got in was 12-13 litres after about 10 miles on reserve.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

69.9mph wrote:


When you start noticing the engine miss (especially on right turns) try the old 'stop and lean the bike to the left' trick. Should be good for another 20/30 miles. Thumbs Up


That's an interesting theory. I'll have to try that next time!
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The older Hornet is advertised as having a 16l capacity as you probably know, so when you fill up you've still got 5l on board (that's over a gallon in old money) which is another 40 miles if you're heavy on the right wrist or 60 for me Wink

When you start noticing the engine miss (especially on right turns) try the old 'stop and lean the bike to the left' trick. Should be good for another 20/30 miles. Thumbs Up

P.S. And while you're probably thinking I'm some daft old git, I pwned some gimp on a CBR600F yesterday, probably one of those FWBers Rolling Eyes


Aye I know, but 160 fucking miles? Shocked I've managed to do 110 to reserve without having to lean the bike side to side, but that was following 2 of my friends on 125's Laughing

Hornet tank shapes are the stupidest thing ever. But look good Mr. Green


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PostPosted: 19:16 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
alun111 wrote:

Not to steal the topic but I'd like to ask (If you don't mind) why when I run out of petrol on my hornet and (usually) can't find the tap when I'm riding, I pull over and switch to reserve and then it takes much cranking to start? I've tried different throttle and choke combinations but with no luck. It doesn't have a prime position so i guess it's trying to fill 4 carbs with only the vacuum pipe sucking whilst you press the starter.


That's pretty much it yes. Thumbs Up


Are there any ways to make starting in this situation easier? Does it kick straight back in to life when you turn to reserve whilst on the move? Cheers Big_Ham, you're a great help as always Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are there any ways to make starting in this situation easier? Does it kick straight back in to life when you turn to reserve whilst on the move? Cheers Big_Ham, you're a great help as always Very Happy


Just get used to remembering where the fuel tap is. Never had any problems, even in Motorways doing 100+. Have to slow right down though because I don't know how far the next petrol station is Laughing

Oh and Ham, there's only one time I managed to get a full 16 litres in. And that's when I emptied the whole tank after taking it off my bike. It was ages ago when I put some diesel in by mistake ( Doh!) but after it being completely and utterly empty/dry I went to the petrol station in my friends car and filled it up with 16 litres Thumbs Up
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alun111 wrote:

Are there any ways to make starting in this situation easier? Does it kick straight back in to life when you turn to reserve whilst on the move? Cheers Big_Ham, you're a great help as always Very Happy


If you flip it reserve as soon as you feel it start to struggle for fuel yes it should just carry on.

Once you feel it start to struggle why not just quickly pull over then if you can?

If the motor cuts when you're going along you can just flip it to reserve and it'll just kick back in, just try not to have the throttle open when you flip it to reserve or when it kicks back in it'll give you a pretty big jolt.

To be honest I try not to run mine to reserve anyway, I just filled it up every 90-100 miles and was ok most of the time.

IIRC the reserve tap is straight down from the N of Honda on the tank. Wink Just remember to turn it the right way. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 25 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aye I know, but 160 fucking miles? Shocked I've managed to do 110 to reserve without having to lean the bike side to side, but that was following 2 of my friends on 125's Laughing


As mentioned before I've managed 125 miles to reserve, this was on a rideout with a mate on his 125 - it was pretty much 70 (5-6k revs) on the dual carriageway all the way and then 50 everywhere else. There was no harsh acceleration either as he was leading so there was no point! I usually ride pretty fast, but lately I've slowed down a bit.... don't see the point in speeding ALL the time unless I'm in a rush!
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