Got pulled 3 points and ?60 fine

[chris-red]

Did get off pretty lightly doing 75 in a 40.

I was going to work on the a13 and filtering through traffic at some lights, there was 2 bikes at the front of the middle lane and the inside lane. The one on the inside lane was a big guy on a big bike with a dayglo jacket and a white helmet(why didn't alarm bells ring) The lights went green and traffic started moving again I was about 3 cars from the front so just smacked the throttle open to get in front, coming up was a flyover so I held the speed because I like popping the front wheel up over the gradient changes, I look behind me and there are B&T's , I pull over and have a chat with the bloke, TBF he was alright and quite friendly he gave me the choice of taking 3 points or going to court. I said 3 points please. Anyway we where having a chat why he was doing the paper work and filling in the details and chatting about various bikes and what not I say I'm just gonna ring work let them know I'll be laqte and I here bollocks as I turn around, I look at his rear wheel and the rim is nearly on the ground in following me he has picked up a puncture he said it was all my fault as he planned to turn off at the lights and go home . I was trying to keep and straight faced as possible and he says it's ok you can laugh if you want, which I did. I had a bit more of a chat with the bloke and left £60 lighter and 3 points heavier.

The main problem is I got flashed last wednesday it was 2 flashes and I was doing 40 in a 30 I really hope that doesn't come through if it does I am fubar, as I'm still in my 2 years.
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[chris-red]

On a side note what do you reckon the chances are if I do get a ticket through the post I will get my licence revoked? I know you can get speed awhereness courses or similar. I have had a clean licence for 2years 9 months and only have 3 months left till I can have more than 6 points.
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[L-Jam]

Glad to see we have another responsible forum member

Unlucky mate, I got let off with jack all after getting pulled by a squad car, doing 45 in a 30
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[chris-red]

[m0l0t0v]

With regards to the camera, if you get an NIP it will say on the back of the paper about the speed awareness course. You can only attend it if you meet certain criteria. If you're caught speeding on a 30 you have to have been caught between 35-39. You also have to reply within a certain amount of time (I think about 70 days or so so plenty enough) and you can't have taken a course 3 or 5 years ago...

With regards to the police... lucky bastard
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[chris-red]

[m0l0t0v]

Pah, take the baffles out.

Also, you could argue the case by going to court (if you do get 6 points in the end) that you need the bike as a means of transport to work if there is no easy way to get to work using public transport. They could review your case and may let you off but if you were to be caught speeding again then you would lose your licence.

3 points sucks I tell thee 9 months to go till I can get 12
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[chris-red]

[m0l0t0v]

Well best of luck not getting caught again! And if you do get caught again and get the additional 3 points then go to court and explain that to them.

Where I live there is virtually no public transport (there is one bus but the last bus home is at 5:45pm and there's about 3 buses to go from my village to High Wycombe so it's really shit, I also work night times in clubs and a taxi is 12-15 quid each way ) and as being on a bike is much cheaper than anything else really it's far far more convenient for me. I would like to think they'd let me keep my licence. If I had to catch taxis I would have to quit my job and go for a day time job.

We shall be meeting soon aye?
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[chris-red]

If I still have a licence, I'm free weekend after next and could be up for a ride depends on funds, if not the first weekend of july the TDM is getting a hammering I have to show off the new cans. I think I might be needing a new rear tyre soon and a major service, this biking lark isn't cheap.
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[Alex A]

Unlucky. Sounds like you probably were done by the camera but as has been mentioned, hopefully your speedo overread and you'll be eligible for a speed awareness course - pounds is always better than points.

It's quite a funny business - I recently passed the DAS after riding for two years on a 125, and whilst I was never particularly silly with the 125 (well, you can't really go mad), I've been far more diligent about sticking (close) to limits since getting the full licence, especially in 30/40 areas. It probably also has something to do with being pulled by an unmarked car driving to work for a night shift (another night worker here) on the old 125 doing 50 in a 30, two days before I passed my test. Fortunately I held my hands up (figuratively) and just got a "the limits apply to you too" and "on your way" from the bobby. Didn't even ask any details. A wake up call nonetheless, and I doubt he'd have been so lienient if I were doing the same thing on a big bike/full licence.

Oddly I'm also actually happier to tootle along at more or less the legal snails pace on a big bike than I ever was on the XR, despite the huge increase in power and stability on the road.

Good luck! It's such a royal pain and expense getting hold of a licence, I'd dread the thought of going through all that palava again.
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[t121anf]

can you explain this to me?

[Mudskipper]

Ooops.

Better read up on the new test after all then, eh?!!

Only joking, unlucky
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[Biker101]

Sort of related question.

I joined a dual carrageway last week, got up to 70 and after about half a mile i thought why are all the cars going so slow, then i noticed a small 50 sign and some camera's, i slammed on the brakes but i wasn't paying attention to cameras for the previous 1/2 mile so may have passed up to 2, will it count as 2 speeding offenses or just the 1 since it was the same road and time?

Might go back on the road and have a gander to see if there were any cameras later today.
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[t121anf]

each camera you set off is an offence, so set 4 off and bye bye license

[Alex A]

Afraid that's totally incorrect.

It's been sucessfully argued several times in court that several instances of speeding caught by cameras along the same stretch of road on a single journey (even if that stretches a few miles), actually constitutes a single speeding offence. If you go down a 50 at 70 for three miles, and are flashed by 4 cameras, you've only broken the speed limit once.

Normally you won't have to go to court to make the case that it's a single offence, if you make that clear to the police after you receive the NIPs, then they will consolidate the charges.
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[Finglonga]

[Alex A]

I don't have time to find it at the moment, and the search facility is not functional at the moment, but there will definately be case reference to one or more cases on this website:

https://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=4ec79e4d8a7e47a63a3cda4d178b0f2f&act=idx

Obviously, it has to be fairly clear cut that you didn't slow down/stop in between the two instances caught speeding. You can't expect it to be considered a single offence if they're at totally different times of day or different sides of the road, or past a major junction etc. But if the timing shows that you passed the second within a timeframe whereby it's clear that it constitutes a single journey along that stretch of road, then you cannot legally be prosecuted twice for the same offence. It would be analagous to being charged twice for murder (for instance) simply because two people witnessed you kill the same person and both testified. A camera is only one of a number of possible sources of evidence, not a definite form of identifying a single, isolated instance of speeding. You will of course be sent a NIP for each camera you trigger as these things are automatically generated. And if you accept the fixed penalty on each then who are the police to argue - no doubt many people have accepted multiple charges for the same offence.

I'll try and pin down a case law later for you - back to bed now (between night shifts).
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[chris-red]

[Finglonga]

[Kickstart]

Hi

From reading things in the past I don't think there is any case law about it.

A few people have had one of the charges withdrawn, but not heard of anyone successfully challenging it in a higher court and winning to set a legal precedent.

All the best

Keith
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