Want a nice green laner for weekends then supermoto weekdays

[70m1]

I have decided recently that i want a supermoto, but i also want it to of come stock as an offroader so i can take it out down the lanes then wack a set of sumo wheels on it, i have always thought as a wr450f as the perfect bike to do this, but recently there are millions of 450 enduro's like KLX450, CRF450X, EXC450-r

so which is best? i dont want high matanence, i really cant be doing with valve checks and oil filter changes and oil changes every 2 rides,

and any other recomendationes on bikes that would fit the bill?

i currently have a dr350 but its a bit heavy in the really slippy stuff and the power is.... negligable and the suspension is poor, so for the cost of doing up this motor a new bike could be quite easily bought

thankyou, and look forward to your advice

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https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=148023

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[70m1]

hmm wud of thought the 690 was a bit hefty for the proper lanes and the 300 exc, while an AMAZING bike is fairly high maintanance

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[70m1]

:S your saying an exc300 would need less servicing then sumthing like a wr450f?? hmm really? wht sort of attention do they need then?

[MarJay]

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[70m1]

thanks for the advice g, tbh a 450 would seem perfect if only the maintanence wasnt so rediculously high

lol yea i watched your video not sure how i would fare on a big old bike with a traily tire on the back tbh

but i think your bike is actually around 5kg more than my dr? and probably holds it better than my relic

Husaberg sounds like a good idea whats the maintanance like on that then?

also what would a ktm 300 stroker be like on the road? i expect it would have very little tourqe and im not sure about the idea of no engine breaking

oh also i forgot to mention that im 17 so it will have to be restricted if it is significantly over 33bhp on the back wheel

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Unless you’re wanting to race, I’d go for the slightly bigger bikes over the 450 as they’re generally a little less stressed etc.

The Husaberg maintenance is harsh – listed as every 10 hours. However, that’s an oil change which uses under a litre of oil. If you’re talking an average of 50mph that actually comes out at 4 litres every 2000 miles; which isn’t really /that/ bad and plenty of people with big 4 stroke sports bikes end up doing not far off that.

There is some question over whether you need to do it that regularly, but I always have; for instance the Honda XR650R lists 600 mile oil changes, however most people are happy to do it a lot less often for ‘general’ use when not racing. However people tend to be a bit more paranoid over ‘exotics’.

If you’re going to be limited to 33hp, how about something like the CCM404? It does weigh a bit more than the competition bikes, but it only makes slightly over 33hp and works well on the road with supermoto wheels. Service intervals are at 4000 miles.

Not sure why you’d think a 300 2 stroke would have little torque – it in fact has masses of it, possibly more than the 500cc 4 strokes. You get used to having very little engine braking.
There are some questions over road usability for general use, though.

[70m1]

hmm not an easy descision

also im looking at restricting with a throttle restrictor so i can pull it out for more power off road

why has no1 made a do it all light bike with little maintanance for your average slop grrr



edit: the only thing that put me off the wr is the mainatanance seen as the local dealer has 2007/6 for around 3 grand otr :o

just not really technical enough to be doing vavle clearances and draining oil i dont think, also dont want to be shelling out on rebuilds once i have the bike

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[70m1]

and is the Husaberg 1 of them?

hmm i guess the main thing is perswading my self to belive that a two stroke wont blow up every 5 mins then

oh and the wr's were 2 grand and there trying to throw insentives in with them... stupid tempting bikes... how long would these bikes last if i ignored the valves changed oil every few rides and didnt thrash it then?

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Husaberg, KTM, Husky can all take supermoto wheels easily from scratch, possibly have a bit better suspension and various other bits and pieces. So yes, err, buy my bike .

Two strokes definitely will be less likely to blow up every five minutes, especially if maintenance is missed on bigger bikes.

You problem can do ok with the 4 strokes not maintaining them. Valves don’t have to be checked nearly as often as oil changes generally, by the way (at least for the Scandinavian bikes) and really isn’t /that/ hard with tappets as I say – depending on the bike, if they don’t need to be adjusted, maybe five minutes once you’ve done them a few times. Fifteen if they do need adjusting.
Problem is that if you do start having trouble, the 4 strokes can be pretty expensive to fix (generally 2 strokes aren’t, by the way).

If you’re actually going to stick to 33hp (and for green lanes and most endures etc you don’t really need more), then I’d steer away from the high-powered bikes. Maybe look at a 250, though unfortunately they’re still moderately tuned. Or you could just stick with the DR until your restriction is up .

[mr.tattoo]

wr's are great bikes. durable and last well with abuse, the old 2 stroke myths bollox, there as relaibleas any 4 stroke around as long as you do preventative maintenance like piston and rings, good oil and warm them up there fine, its when people abuse them cold and never do rings they go pop but still a cheap fix. if you want a reliable low maintenance 4 stroke with good perf on and offroad get a drz mate. people may slate them but there ok bikes and relibale and cheap
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[70m1]

suppose i might as well stick with the restriction but thanks for everyones help anyway

as for the drz400 a friend has it and it just seems like the bike has no ambition, its perfectly happy to be meh in every aspect about it

find it hard to belive, but i found the suspension on the drz seemed even worse then the dr's and thts just a bit pathetic really

ok hopefully in a years time when my restrictions up, an epically cheep, reliable, light, fast supermoto will be around well we can all have a dream...

although i am tempted by this: https://www.husqvarnausa.com/2007/images/te610_01.jpg


may be slightly heavy for wht i want thoe

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The DRZ does lack a bit of 'sparkle'.
The TE610 is pretty similar to the KTM I've got; some advantages, some disadvantages. Should be a decent trail bike (possibly better than the KTM thanks to wider gear ratios and smoother fueling, though I'd say the KTM has more of a hit from idle).
However, the weight is a bit heavier than a DRZ and while it's fine for trail riding, does have that liveliness of a decent enduro bike.

Maybe it'd be worth looking to get a proper enduro 2 stroke for off road (can get them quite cheap), then consider from there if you want road wheels on, or even a different etc.
To my mind, you're never going to get an amazing supermoto for road use limited to 33hp. For road use, for 99% of people 99% of the time, the extra weight isn't really a big issue, so something like the TE610 won't be ridden any slower than a lighter more 'serious' supermoto.

[yankeedoodle]

xr 400! my 250 was bullet proof. the most I ever did to it was top the oil up. I've seen plenty of 250s and 400s with supermoto wheels and they're not high performance like the wrs, so if you dont mind less power, then it might be worth a look. Joes got one. Ask him!
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Even closer to the DR350 he already has, though.

[yankeedoodle]