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yes or no on restricing to 33bhp
NO dont restrict it and if i get pulled im done for
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YES have a full 33bhp WOW :S
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: shall i restrict my bike y/n to 33bhp poll? Reply with quote

hi i was wondering if i shud restrict a sv650 to 33bhp or not to
im not sure if so do i need the certificate

thanks chris Karma Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need a certificate really.

if your comfortable riding with full power then sod the restrictors just don't do silly speeds or have a accident and you'll be fine.
i've read on here alot, most have said even after an accident there bikes were never checked for restrictors and half the police don't have a clue just don't draw attention to yourself.

i think it's a stupid law ( search around you'll see alot of reasons of others who agree)

i'm fine riding my R6 why should someone get to ride full power when they have no more knowledge, skill or experience than me?

i know it's the law, i'm just a rebel.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes theres about a million of these threads Laughing

Ive said no because mine isnt restricted, at the end of the day your breaking the law and its a risk you either choose to take or choose not to.

The majority of police dont even seem to know about the restriction laws but if you get one who is in the know and has reason to believe your bike isnt restricted chances are it'll be taken in for a dyno.

your choice in the end...

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edit: bah, too slow, basicly what he said ^ Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers ill take it in
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Really depends on experience. To be honest I would say for most people who have just passed their test then yes (and the same to those who did DAS). Don't really agree with the 33hp limit, but do think it is worthwhile keeping it sensible while you get used to the weight of larger bikes.

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think im ok with around 80bhp im no nutter with a death wish
so sensible its just the getting caught bit that flicks at the back of my head Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kept mine in for 3 months or so, which IMO was a good idea 33bhp was still a massive difference to 12bhp. once 33 became boring I took them out and it was a whole different bike again. It was good to get used to the bike.


I was recently pulled by a bike copper who gave me a producer, he wrote on the side of it in big letters with stars either side of it *Check engine restriction certificate* When I took my docs in with my photoshoped cert the lady checking my stuff didn't even ask for it.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah i mean ffs you can buy the certificates off ebay, thats how official they are, just work out how fast an rs125 will go and don't go over that speed Laughing

having said that i'm looking into a way i can restrict my bike
with the flick of a switch which i had on an old 'souped' up scooter that really did shift, the previous owner made/fitted it but it was something to do with the CDI unit, basically if i pressed a button it made the bike top out at around 50 mph instead of the 85-90mph readings i was getting on my clocks ( probably about 70 true speed Laughing ) but he said it could come in handy if you get pulled as the bike was registered as a 125cc ( learner legal ) but was really nearer 200cc.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 06 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to be keeping my restrictors in my next bike. If I took them out I'd spend all my time worrying about getting caught, when I could be enjoying riding.

2 years isn't that long a time in the long run, and you're not going to lose anything by learning to walk before you run IMO
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you got caught riding without restrictors, on a restricted license, what punishment could you expect? (Ban, fine, points?)
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

shaun_04 wrote:
If you got caught riding without restrictors, on a restricted license, what punishment could you expect? (Ban, fine, points?)


They can give you up to 6 points and a fine, so you'll get your license revoked under the 6 points in 2 years thing if it's your first entitlement.

Torque05 was the most recent person I can think of on here that was done for no restrictors. He had to retake everything.

@ the OP it's your license you're gambling with so it's your choice, no one else's.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you would be riding not within accordance of your licence (or something like that), your insurance would also be void

So most likely a ban or serious points and finess.

Its worth the risk tho Wink
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion if you're set on taking your restrictors out (which you obviously are even by starting a thread about it) your best course of action would be to get it restricted properly, get a certificate and leave them in for a month or so, until you get used to the bike and comfortable on it. Don't take them out until you're 100% used to the bike i.e no chicken strips left for example. That way you've also got a certificate that MIGHT satisfy a nosy copper enough to let you on your way.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Restrict it yourself for a few weeks/ 3 months then see how it goes.

Not saying either way but just FYI I have 2 mates who didn't restrict their bikes, one rides a 636 and is fine, the other put his CB500 into the front of a lorry and nearly died.

But no pressure Razz
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
I was recently pulled by a bike copper who gave me a producer, he wrote on the side of it in big letters with stars either side of it *Check engine restriction certificate* When I took my docs in with my photoshoped cert the lady checking my stuff didn't even ask for it.


This needs to be said again,

Whatever the OP decides, no matter how much of an arsey cop stops you, and even if he suspects the bike to be derestricted he cant prove anything by the side of the road (except if you are caught doing over say a tonne),

I have had exactly the same happen to me as chris there, the policeman dident believe me that my gs500 was restricted (it wasent) so he wrote in big clear letters on the producer "Check 33bhp Certificate", i merely took a letter on headed paper stating what the part number of the restrictor was.

You only have to get it passed a desk officer who 97% of the time wont know a damn things about bikes, let alone this law.

As long as you dont crack under roadside interrogation you are fine...
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

EddyJones wrote:
Well you would be riding not within accordance of your licence (or something like that), your insurance would also be void


Very true. Insurance companies may not bother checking if it's a small claim i.e. you put a dent in someone's Micra. It's not worth their while paying an assesor to test the power of your bike.

But, imagine you had a fairly big claim i.e. caused a fair amount of damage to someone's car/bike or even had a hefty personal injury claim, the insurance company will do everything they can to get out of it. I believe they have to pay the claim, but then they will be after YOU for payment. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't fancy paying out potentially tens of thousands of pounds if a personal injury claim came about!

It won't be any good trying to blag it to the insurance company because a) they'll have heard it 100 times before and b) they won't care. They are a business, and a business is out to make money, not give it out.

I don't think it's worth it, not for a 2 year restriction. It'll come and go before you know it, then you'll be 100% legal to do what you want and have your whole life ahead of you!
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, you lot really are a bunch of cocks sometimes.

Picture this, you don't restrict your bike, your insurance is therefore invalid. You crash, say a car clips you and sends your bike spinning into a bus queue of innocent people, killing someone. The car that clipped you drives off and the people all claim off your non-existent insurance. On a big claim, insurance companies will try every trick in the book to get out of it, and they WILL check your bike for restrictors.

You go to prison as no witnesses saw the car clip you and these people can't claim off you.

Alternatively, a slightly less extreme scenario, you don't bother and get caught, another statistic to nail other bikers and eventually we all end up with speed limiters because we obviously can't be trusted to obey even the restrictions of our licenses.

Restrict your bike, don't be a knob.

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the grim reaper wrote:
You go to prison as no witnesses saw the car clip you and these people can't claim off you.


Yes they can and the insurance company cannot get out of a claim from a 3rd party anything like that easily.

Just that they can try and claim from the rider, potentially giving the rider a massive bill.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
the grim reaper wrote:
You go to prison as no witnesses saw the car clip you and these people can't claim off you.


Yes they can and the insurance company cannot get out of a claim from a 3rd party anything like that easily.

Just that they can try and claim from the rider, potentially giving the rider a massive bill.

All the best

Keith


Insurance is a contract, if you enter that contract having seen the paperwork, i.e your insurance policy, you abide by it's terms. If your license says you are restricted and your insurance says you should be restricted then you are breaking the terms of that contract if you are not.

You may be right that the insurance company are bound by other statutes that stops them from absolving all responsibility, but they are sure as hell going to get their money from the rider, as you stated. I wouldn't want that risk, all for a few BHP.

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PostPosted: 12:47 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's a policy in place then they pretty much have to pay out to injured third parties. If you've broken the terms of the contact for the insurance then the insurance company can then try and get you to pay them back what was paid out. So the other people do get their money, you then get an insurance company chasing you for very large amounts of money.

Even if it were possible for an insurance company to wriggle out of a third parties claim then they'd still then be able to claim from the MIB.

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the grim reaper wrote:
You may be right that the insurance company are bound by other statutes that stops them from absolving all responsibility, but they are sure as hell going to get their money from the rider, as you stated. I wouldn't want that risk, all for a few BHP.


But rather differnt to trying to lay a guilt trip on them that innocent 3rd parties would get nothing.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while back one of my mates (who has an A2 license) was riding down the motorway on a non-restricted thundercat when he hit some crap on the road and came off, slid down the road and pretty much totaled his bike. Didn't touch any other vehicles or anything, just his own.

Anyway the police had to come and they checked he was ok, they asked him to take his paperwork to a police station for verification that he was legal. So, the next week he took his license and insurance docs down there and was done with it.

A few months later he got a court order through his door saying basically "you failed to produce a certificate of restriction, we're taking you to court"... He pleaded guilty and got 6 points on his license - lucky for him he had a car at 17 and just passed his 2years on that, so he had 12 points to lose. After getting his points he decided he should really get some restrictors put in his bike (now a sv650s) which comes in the form of an ECU. Two weeks later he took it back out because he said it just wasn't much fun with them.

I've had my A2 license for 18 months now and I'm counting down the final 6 months... I've been restricted all the time since I passed my test and to be brutally honest there have been times where, had I the full power, I would have come off really badly. Don't be dissuaded by people that say "33bhp bikes are slow!" because they aren't. My mate had 100mph out of his sv6650s with the restrictors in - any more than that and you've got a death wish if you've only just passed your test.

As long as you haven't ridden a non-restricted bike you'll be totally satisfied with it. When you do get a go on a full power bike you'll suddenly realize what your missing. My advice? Try not to have a go on a full power bike till you're well into your 2 years XD

Here's my best description of what the restriction does... At first it feels totally normal, moving off from standing. Then, as you roll open the throttle it starts to take off like other bikes, then after you open the throttle about 40% it doesn't matter how much further you twist it you won't accelerate any faster - but you will still be accelerating pretty damn fast.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oliver_FF wrote:
A few months later he got a court order through his door saying basically "you failed to produce a certificate of restriction, we're taking you to court"... He pleaded guilty and got 6 points on his license


He should have sought decent legal advice. There is nothing legal about the certificate of restriction, and no legal requirement to have one.

What they have done is guilty unless he can prove himself innocent. Imagine being taken to court for speeding as when the police pulled you over you didn't have a piece of paper on you saying that you were not speeding.

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:55 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Oliver_FF wrote:
A few months later he got a court order through his door saying basically "you failed to produce a certificate of restriction, we're taking you to court"... He pleaded guilty and got 6 points on his license


He should have sought decent legal advice. There is nothing legal about the certificate of restriction, and no legal requirement to have one.

What they have done is guilty unless he can prove himself innocent. Imagine being taken to court for speeding as when the police pulled you over you didn't have a piece of paper on you saying that you were not speeding.

All the best

Keith


Well it says on his license "<=25kw" and when he produced his documents he failed to produce any proof that it was restricted. What I wrote in ""'s isn't precisely what the letter said, it's what he told me as a general idea...

Surely the entire concept of showing your documents to the police station is "guilty until proven innocent"
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 07 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be honest RR, from the phrasing on the poll it looks like you've already made your mind up and are just looking for jutification which brings me to two things.

The first is that if you do get caught then pleading that a bunch of people on the interweb told you it would be okay will be no defence to your licence

The second is you had to ask, which really does suggest that you aren't mature enough to take responsibility for going outside the bounds.

All of which is why I voted for 'restricted'
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