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PostPosted: 16:31 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: 250 tourer anyone? Reply with quote

As regulars will know I have a "thing?" for 250`s.
So when this popped up, I took notice.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-DL-250-V-STROM-250-cc-MOTORCYCLE-2017-/142177586847?hash=item211a71ce9f:g:v~MAAOSwB09YJzTa

I seems that Suzuki have committed to lots of use of the Inazuma engine.
The same engine appears to be in their new GSXR 250

Whaddya think? would you tour on it?

Me? I bought a Honley Adventurer for a whole lot less cash
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

But also reported to ebay for listing an item which does not yet exist at a price it will never be sold for.

ie. Search and browse manipulation.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

190kg (dry?) and 25hp.
Not exactly impressive numbers.
As I mentioned on another thread, it makes my 50hp/similar weight Transalp look like a sports-bike.

I do really appreciate the fun a 250 can be and it's benefits for town work, but as a tourer I'd look for something with a bit more 'torque', especially as 25hp would be carrying touring gear.

Just my opinion of course.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 16 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like where this is going, but they really need to be under 160kg wet. Less than that would be better.

If Kawasaki have a go at making their Z250SL a bit more useful then they may be in with a chance of doing it, but until then I guess I'll persevere with my 20HP CB250. I like the way it not only has a proper rack for strapping stuff to (or bolting a box to) but also has a nice wide pillion seat area I can strap a dry bag to. So many modern bikes are missing these features Sad
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki's 300cc Versys seems better, shame like as I like the V Stroms.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowdonia Rider wrote:
Kawasaki's 300cc Versys.

If that's the 38hp - 170kg bike then it sounds more useable but have they mentioned a price yet?
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
have they mentioned a price yet?


Not AFAIK.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weighs as much as my 990 and has less than a quarter of the power. For those very valid reasons - I'm out as fuck.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm solidly of the opinion that lower capacity bikes should be relatively lighter too.

That poor motor having to lug around 250 kg, thinking of adding a small rider on that too.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psst, don't tell Borg, he's got competition:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-GSX-250-R-2017-250-cc-Motorcycle-/142177516374?hash=item211a70bb56:g:CDUAAOSwHMJYJxtd

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PostPosted: 15:31 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a competitive business, and Suzuki knows its customers. Sometimes, it isn't enough to simply do something. You have to feel and look like you're doing something. That's why this bike is so heavy. I believe a bike like that is designed to make a noob tourer (such as myself) feel more like a grown-up, and might feel a bit stronger and less exposed. It also really looks the part! If I saw one of these coming the other way along a single carriageway road, I would assume it was a much bigger bike. It just looks new, with styling similar to BMW touring bikes.

Never mind that it produces the same power and is less manageable and maintainable than a 1980s Honda 250, and is heavier and less suitable for touring.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only Suzuki is making upright style onroad 250 right now.
Others were making racey ones only till now.
I hope many start making tourer-ish 250s from now on.
Hopefully MT-25 tracer too.
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One of a good 250 tourer I liked was Honda Xelvis. I didn't like KLE250 Anhero for its design.
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Tourer need decent body size, so it will be heavy for 250. But some user want 250 as tourer. 250 is a big king bike in China. So Suzuki designs them so that they look like big bikes.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 17 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the Versys 300 I saw one Kawa dealer quoting a price of £4,999. I guess that's to be expected but, if true, still feels too much to me.
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

These baby 'adv' bikes just seem shit in every way?
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:
These baby 'adv' bikes just seem shit in every way?


Is that because they dont have mega-powwaar! and cant do 150mph? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is just too heavy though. I'd love a little bimbler bike that's a cheap, low powered but fun piece of kit and I don't think it should be that difficult to make to a reasonable price. The VStrom would be ace if it were 160kg and therefore light enough to manoeuvre into the back of the garage by picking it up etc.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Tdibs wrote:
These baby 'adv' bikes just seem shit in every way?


Is that because they dont have mega-powwaar! and cant do 150mph? Rolling Eyes


No just their power to weight is terrible esp after with full touring kit.

for 4.5k or however much they are you can get hugely more competent machines.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 18 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much established that one of the best proper "adventure" bnikes you can get is a TTR250.

Could never be regarded as powerful but you can lift one out of a ditch.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Pretty much established that one of the best proper "adventure" bnikes you can get is a TTR250.

Could never be regarded as powerful but you can lift one out of a ditch.


Isn't It a trail bike rather than an adventure bike?
I thought Adventure/dual sport bikes were more about being touring bikes that wouldn't get stuck in the wet camp-site field Confused
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:
No just their power to weight is terrible esp after with full touring kit.

for 4.5k or however much they are you can get hugely more competent machines.


Ok , fair point.
So how much kit do you take Eh? , I suppose it`s what you use it for.
Agreed that if I was away for a few weeks doing all camping, touring every day and cooking as well then a 250 "adventurer" would not be my first choice.
However mine (Honley RX3 250 Adventurer) will be used for week-ends only and a I buy my meals out.
I keep my kit to a minimum and work on keeping it light and small.
I dont expect mine to be an intercontinental bike, but a week-end bike.
So as such it`s got a lot going for it (I`m happy).

Secondly : 4.5K Shocked Sick are you f*cking mad!! Shocked Laughing no no no no no , I`ll pass on that,
I`d rather buy an old Yamaha XT 250 or a Honda XL 250 and put my own panniers and rack on it.

Or I could get my old Superdream back on the road and use that Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:

I thought Adventure/dual sport bikes were more about being touring bikes that wouldn't get stuck in the wet camp-site field Confused


When you`ve worked that formula out, let me know Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 19 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Alpineandy wrote:

I thought Adventure/dual sport bikes were more about being touring bikes that wouldn't get stuck in the wet camp-site field Confused

When you`ve worked that formula out, let me know Thumbs Up Smile

I wish I was clever enough to come up with a definition Laughing
I've got mine because the seating is upright (bad back), they have some weather protection (not great but better than a naked), they're tall enough to see over stuff (I like a gentle 'potter' around the countryside occasionally) and slightly more agile around town than a proper tourer (although I'm sure there are exceptions).
I did think long and hard about swapping the Transalp for an SM or Trail bike but ended up getting the 1000 Multistrada as well. Cool
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 20 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: 250 tourer anyone? Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
As regulars will know I have a "thing?" for 250`s.
So when this popped up, I took notice.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Suzuki-DL-250-V-STROM-250-cc-MOTORCYCLE-2017-/142177586847?hash=item211a71ce9f:g:v~MAAOSwB09YJzTa

I seems that Suzuki have committed to lots of use of the Inazuma engine.
The same engine appears to be in their new GSXR 250

Whaddya think? would you tour on it?

Me? I bought a Honley Adventurer for a whole lot less cash


I'd take the Honley any day over that, I reckon. I was seriously weighing one up at the Motorcycle Live a couple of years ago, the thing that put me off was the rusty nuts and bolts all over it, while it was on display! Shocked

Although having said that, when I went to Goodwood this year, the new Africa Twins were rusty as well. So, good work all round!

I want to get my TTR 250 sorted, I'm probably just going to pay a man to do it now, I no longer have the time or space to strip it down, and more importantly, put it back together again. The idea being that that will become my UK tourer, with a bit of fettling, because, with the exception of the MT5, it's my favourite bike.
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I'd rather tour on an Aprilia Tuareg Rally 125, and stick a spare Rotax 123 in the top box.

Seriously Yamaha could actually do something and build some proper light weight MT/Tracer models. They have the underused 32bhp WR250X engine that would drop straight into an MT125 or WR125R chassis.

Then there's the R3 321cc twin lump, that hasn't really sold for shit in the R3, so use that motor for a street bike/supermoto/adventure bike and keep it really anorexic for sales win!
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 21 Nov 2016    Post subject: Re: 250 tourer anyone? Reply with quote

Fladdem wrote:



I want to get my TTR 250 sorted. The idea being that that will become my UK tourer, bike.


Smile 250 tourers rock Wink Thumbs Up
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