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PostPosted: 14:13 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Free The UK. Reply with quote

Got this in an email today:

"FREE THE UK
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Decent Law abiding citizens of the UK. Have you had enough of this Government? Have you had enough of politicians and councilors dictating to us?
Are you fed up with rocketing prices and inflation?
Are you fed up with this government moaning that we are borrowing money as we have never before because basically we are a bankrupt nation, then watch these politicians squander it and literally give it away to third world countries and useless causes?
£800m aid to Pakistan, £150m for Malaria £30m to Palestine.
Do you ask for your taxes to be thrown away on people that have never contributed once to British society?
Why is our door open to immigrants who should not even be here? The Geneva convention stipulates that refugees should be adopted by neighboring countries from whence they came.
Crime Rates are soaring and it is no coincidence that crime committed by foreign nationals makes up a huge part of the problem. However people are too scared to say so in case they are branded as beig racist. We are not racist, far from it, but we are realists.
Yet they all see that we are a soft touch. Our beloved country has become a soft touch where hand-outs are freely given to these people, when our own are struggling.
And what about Europe. No referendum as we were promised in the run up to the last election?
Sleaze, corruption, lying to the nation. Every day there is a different scandal. Imposing taxes, low salaries for key workers, underfunding the army, Poor roads and infrastructure, no control on councils, waste management or the environment.
Well the tide is about to turn but WE NEED ALL OF YOUR HELP.
A few of us want to form a serious political group to oppose those in Parliament. However, we do not plan to fight an election just yet.
We want to, quite literally, rally enough people to take parliament and to put an end to the rot in this country. This country needs a coup. This is the only way we are going to tackle the country’s problems now.
If we succeed in overthrowing this corrupt regime, We will start with cutting fuel duty by half to kick start the economy and bring down prices. Poorer families will be made comfortable as will pensioners who will never have to worry about sky-high heating bills again. We will stop exporting North Sea Oil and use it for our own consumption only (What’s left of it.) we will cap oil prices and nationalize companies that step out of line in their greedy attempts to get richer beyond all known decency. Car tax will be abolished and put on petrol so those who use cars more pay more and so do foreign drivers who drive in this country. New houses will have to have solar and or wind energy to assist in their heating needs to help protect the environment.
We will impose a double taxation on foreign nationals working here (who then send our money abroad). This will hopefully have a migratory effect and these people will return to the country that they came on. This will free up employment, Housing , Prisons, NHS waiting queues. British People will come first.
Immigrants will have to pay to use the NHS.
All immigrants will be forced to learn English and will have to integrate into our society. Step out of line and you will be sent packing.
Terrorists will be executed. Why put them up at Taxpayers cost in British Jails?
Youth Law will be introduced to curfue the under 16’s and young offenders will be sent to boot camps or there will be the introduction of a National service to install discipline.
Prison will change with the introduction of hard labour, and Life will mean life. We will give referendums on key issues such as corporal and capital punishment.

Councils will not be able to fine you for speeding or for leaving your rubbish in the wrong place. They will be strictly controlled by Government to do the jobs that they are there to do. Council tax will be replaced by an addition on the income tax so you pay what you can afford to do so and fairly. This will be a major reduction on the council taxes at present. Councils will not be able to change this amount. Councils will be fined for providing poor services and maintenance.

VAT on Fuel will be scrapped as will the cost of prescriptions where they are not free.
The Army will be bought back from abroad and will help to fight crime alongside the police in areas that it is needed.
General crime, especially knife and gun crime will be smashed and so will drug crime. The penalties will be so severe for anybody involved they will wish that they had never been born.
Police and Army will receive better funding, more officers and better working conditions as will other public sector employees such as Nurses, Firemen and Teachers etc.

We will redeploy money now wasted for aid into British Education and Hospitals and Pensions. However we will help in international disasters.

Finally, we will give the British electorate the choice as we should have democratically been given, to vote on whether we want to be part of Europe. If not, we will withdraw from Europe instantly and find new trading partners.

I am proud to fight for the people of this country. I am proud of this country and I do not want to spend the rest of my life being told by somebody what to eat, how to spend my money, heat my house, support my family, educate my children etc. and tolerate people in our society who shouldn’t be there.
This country is being destroyed by corrupt politicians and a government who do not care.

Once we have put the country back on track, we will stand down and hold democratic elections again, but this time we will be a political party and hopefully democratically voted back in. However to avert a disaster, we have to take Parliament now. If 500,000 people marched into Westminster, What could they do?
Over the next few weeks we are going to start a FREE THE UK website. This is totally serious. I would not spend my time writing all this if we were not serious.

We want to have the backing of as many of you as we can but more importantly, your participation.
Please do your duty to this country. You will not regret it.

Please can you cut and paste these comments and send them to as many people as you can.
The more you do it the easier it will be to end this disaster our country is in.
Power to the People!
Please watch this space over the next few weeks and we will then start the revolution.

We are looking for members to join our crusade and we need all the help we can get so please, don't ignore this if you agree with us, just drop us a quick line showing your support!
THANK YOU."


freetheuk@hotmail.co.uk

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PostPosted: 14:52 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As great as it would be for this to happen ill put money on it that we see nothing, im all for joining any rally/protest etc that happens but like i said, it wont.

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PostPosted: 15:44 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Free The UK. Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Decent Law abiding citizens of the UK.. blah blah blah...


Are you sure the email was meant for you?..
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Free The UK. Reply with quote

Stevie B wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Decent Law abiding citizens of the UK.. blah blah blah...


Are you sure the email was meant for you?..


I'm decent. Being decent has absolutely nothing to do with abiding by the law.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds even more oppressive than our current government and at least they can use the English language properly.

Sounds like a different version of the BNP.

That was obviously not thought through at all as they seemed happy to cut taxes left, right and centre and then not gain enough money from anywhere else.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone got a better idea?
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
That sounds even more oppressive than our current government and at least they can use the English language properly.

Sounds like a different version of the BNP.

That was obviously not thought through at all as they seemed happy to cut taxes left, right and centre and then not gain enough money from anywhere else.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure - try and think up some actual workable policies, not some borderline-racist wet dream with no hope of implementation.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell the family silver. Buy shares in torches and pitchforks.
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Free The UK. Reply with quote

freetheuk wrote:


Decent Law abiding citizens of the UK.



and

freetheuk wrote:


We want to, quite literally, rally enough people to take parliament and to put an end to the rot in this country. This country needs a coup.



Irony? Much?

freetheuk wrote:


If 500,000 people marched into Westminster, What could they do?


At a guess, call in the police and the armed forces....

Jon B wrote:

at least they can use the English language properly


freetheuk wrote:

we will cap oil prices and nationalize companies


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PostPosted: 22:09 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Free The UK. Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:


freetheuk wrote:


If 500,000 people marched into Westminster, What could they do?


At a guess, call in the police and the armed forces....


Don't be such a fucking pussy. We have a right to protest, and we really don't need people thinking like you are. Sitting there thinking "Hmmmm.... if I protest I may get arrested so I won't do it" is exactly what the gov want. Do what millions of others in this country need to do; grow some balls and just do it. Unfortunately it's the minority who actually want to do something, so protesting would do little (although atleast they make the effort), but if we can persuade the rest of the country to get up off their arses, then the lousy gov will take note.

Oh yeah, and Jon B's comment on grammar was a little thing called irony.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP doesn't want to make the government take notice, it advocates a coup, a non-representative dictatorship and martial law.

People are often claiming that the current government (whom I despise) are similar to the Nazis - well the following quote could've been taken from Herr Hitler's own playbook:

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Once we have put the country back on track, we will stand down and hold democratic elections again, but this time we will be a political party and hopefully democratically voted back in.


Robert Mugabe would be most impressed.

It's worth noting that were the above to happen, the armed forces would unseat the coup leaders within days, and probably shoot the lot of them.
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent him a message:

You've got the right general idea mate, but needs work. A constitution
for one thing, and a pledge to do away with this nazi ban-culture, and
that includes drugs and weapons. A human being has certain fundamental
rights, freedoms and liberties, and that includes the right to do with
his body as he will, and carry weapons about his person. It's all about
material harm...cause nobody else any direct material harm and nobody
else has any business getting in your...business.

Prison is for people who have done harm to others, period. Not for doing
something that MAY cause harm, or indirectly causes harm. That ethos is
exactly what has turned this country into a ban-culture nazi toilet.

Drop me a line if you fancy a serious discussion.

His reply:

Hi Adrian and or your comments, all of which I have taken on board and mostly agree with.
At this stage I am guaging responses, most of which have been very positive. However, of course it needs work and input is very gratefully accepted.
I am looking to get a website up and running soon which will list a constitution / manifesto etc.
Will be in touch when I have more news.
Many thanks
C.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 21 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good friend of mine (65 years old) also sent him a message:

Re- you AOL Post...
Great words and sentiment most of which I agree with and I'm sure most people with half a brain would also agree (hopefully !!)..

The major problem being, most people today are in fact Brainwashed with decades of very clever manipulation by successive inept and corrupt Governments..They, the Government, would probably turn the army against you and your followers or, brand you as racist, even terrorists !...

I really do think we, us, have to try and re-educate the British people, this of course could take a great deal of time...Please remember "The greatest enemy is our own working class" until they (the people) can be made to realise that they are no more than robots working for the so called elite of this world the Governments will stand firm with the backing of other corrupt, and let's face it, very clever people, who have succeeded in keeping the underdogs of this world under their thumbs for a Very long time..

I wish you all the best in your courageous efforts and do agree that something has to be done but, please be careful ! ! Others have also tried to expose these corrupt bastards, some of which have mysteriously gone missing, or worse been murdered....

Regards.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Free The UK. Reply with quote

aaron0288 wrote:

Stuff about how tough he is.....


I was actually refering to the 'coup' mentioned in the OP, not the 'right to protest'.
Considering you know nothing about me, your 'pussy' comments are fairly redundant - i've done more than my fair share of protest and direct action: criminal justice bill riots and hunt sabbing are 2 that spring to mind. So, what have you actually done?

Mister James is spot on here IMHO.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Armchair/keyboard whingers usualy write to their MP, the very person helping to screw them over.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of the top 5 google hits for 'freetheuk', there are two for Stormfront (a lovely little White Nationalist Community Shocked ), one for BNP and one for BCF!! Rolling Eyes

Nice to know that these 'crusaders' would erode civil liberties even more.

All the Daily Hate rants thrown together with vain promises that could never be delivered, immigrant bashing and martial law...smells like pure BNP to me.

Nice idea (people power beating the corrupt politician scum) but unfortunately just rabid racist ranting underneath.

I won't be doing any cut and pasting, thank you.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we're advocating removing a democratically elected authoritarian corrupt nanny state for a non democratically elected authoritarian right wing state.

Germany 1932 anyone?

Personally I'd support him if he didn't advocate a coup, and he didn't say immigrants are causing the rise in the crime rate. Apparently government figures and other statistics show overall crime falling, but we're lead to believe they aren't so that we can have 'anti terror' legislation shoved down our throats. Isn't it funny how the very newspapers who support the bills are in fact the ones who tell us how serious knife and gun crime is?

The problem is not immigrants, the problem is the Government.

Democratically elect a new government. That means a campaign for Gordons aborted general election to be re-instated.

I vote for libertarian small elected government, not a coup.

Hetzer et al; have a look here: https://www.libertarian.co.uk/

Also, think what a failed coup would do for the current government. It would give it further excuse to bring in 'anti terror' anti libertarian legislation.

If someone did try a coup, I'm not sure which would be worse. If it failed or if it succeeded...
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If someone did try a coup, I'm not sure which would be worse. If it failed or if it succeeded...


Prolly not be much more chaotic than it is already Neutral

/ironical
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Load of right wing tosh.

Not workable and dangerously flawed. As a piece of literature it is ill-thought out and innaccurate (Half fuel duty then abolish road tax and stick it back on fuel as tax?) Also (I might be wrong,) but are we not a net importer of fuel? If Scotland was independant it would be a net exporter, but not as part of the UK...

The kind of people that spout this crap scare me more than the current bumbling bunch, yeah we need change but lets try to move forward.

To support this kind of ill-considered rubbish would be a massive step backwards.

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PostPosted: 17:28 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If someone did try a coup, I'm not sure which would be worse. If it failed or if it succeeded...

It'd be such a loss of decent Law abiding citizens, I'm not sure if the country would ever be the same again. Dance! Dance!

They don't want to get rid of a corrupt regime, they want their own corrupt regime. Rolling Eyes

Just a bunch of brain dead fools who haven't got a hope of achieving anything, yeah we're going to cut all taxes and that'll magically make the country better. Do they honestly believe it's that straight forward, I mean if they do then they must be fucking stupid.

Scum, the sooner someone tries to pull that off so they all get shot, the better. The country would be far better of without parasites likes that who think they can just live off society and trying to tell everyone else what they should be doing.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way to destroy our system is from the inside and once you're inside, I would suspect the wealth and power would soon make most cosy up anyway.

It can be any face in any government following any idealogy. The power that drives men to take part in the whole sorry tale of the modern western world is greed. So, it's not the government, it's not the immigrants, it's greed. In the same way a drug addict needs drugs, as it is with these cunts and power. So, if we can eradicate greed we will have heaven on Earth. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

Damn, I am turning Marxist in my old age. Maybe I should have gone on strike last week.

Funny thing that, on the BNP website a bloke who was doing a blog claimed that Britain under the BNP would be based on that Karl Marx line "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

Where was I? What was this thread about, anyway?
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 22 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


The country would be far better of without parasites likes that who think they can just live off society and trying to tell everyone else what they should be doing.


So you won't be voting labour or conservative again then.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 23 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The system isn't perfect, but smashing the system is going to result in far worse.

We need to have people running the country who are capable of doing it. They will of course be motivated to strengthen their own hand by making more money and power go to the government, but at least they will run things.

The kind of nitwits who believe its a good idea to plan a coup are not people capable of running a country for a few weeks, let alone long enough to 'put it back on track' as regards their agenda.

Mugabe managed to fuck up a prosperous country quite quickly by smashing the system of a ruling elite of white farmers owning most of the land. He divided it up between other people, so productive land became unproductive, and the company has gone from bad to worse.

Taking the reins from the people who have been running things is not a good idea. You might not like what they are doing, but they know a lot more about how to run things than you do.

Bush thought it would be great if he got rid of Saddam, and things would sort of run themselves if he got rid of all of the ruling powers who had run things under Saddam. It turns out that Saddam had actually keeping a lid on things quite well, and ripping out the old system, is a lot easier than putting in a new one and getting it to work.

If we had a revolution, things would be seriously fucked up for years.

Change from within is the only way. Its how Tony Blair got into the Labour Party, and turned it to something a bit more right wing than the Liberals, who used to be in the middle.

The problem is, anyone strong enough to seize power, isnt going to want to give it to the people.

Tony Blair was big into listening until he got in, and then it was Tony knows best.

Anyone who makes any serious attempt to overthrow our democratically ellected government by force, would be guilty of treason, for which the death sentence still exists.

Im sure that Hitler said he was just stepping in temporarily to fix things, but somehow the job grew on him, so he thought he should keep on fixing things.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 23 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Small diversion:

colin1 wrote:
guilty of treason, for which the death sentence still exists


Not any more it doesn't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom#Final_abolition
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On 20 May 1998 the House of Commons voted to ratify the 6th Protocol of the European Convention on Human Rights prohibiting capital punishment except "in time of war or imminent threat of war."

The last remaining provisions for the death penalty under military jurisdiction (including in wartime) were removed when section 21(5) of the Human Rights Act 1998 came into force on 9 November 1998.

The UK later (10 October 2003; effective from 1 February 2004[7]) acceded to the 13th Protocol, which prohibits the death penalty under all circumstances,[8] so that the UK may no longer legislate to restore the death penalty while it is subject to the Convention.



OK, back to the thread:

Whilst I am totally convinced that something has to change in this country, and soon, I am equally convinced this is not it.

There is no such thing as a simple solution to such complex problems, and people campaigning in such an ignorant way just reflects badly on any attempt at sesnible change.

Do I have any better ideas? Nope, otherwise I'd be doing something about it. I'm just hoping that someone smarter than me comes up with something and soon.
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