Honda NSR 125 Fox Eye conversion?

[Mr Hammers]

Hi

i've bought, but yet to have delivered, an italian import NSR 125R.

For some reason i thought it was a 1999 model when i put my deposit down, but was a little disappointed to discover it was actually a 1994 model instead, and therefore not of the Fox Eye variety.

When i talked with the shop guy, i think he said it had a round headlight, but i can't find any pics of ones with round lights, only the rectangular ones. (Maybe it's because it's an Italian import that has a round one..?)

Anyway, it's still a nice bike so i'm still going to get it, but i was wondering how much would be involved in converting it to a fox eye style..?

Obviously the fairing/headlights would need to change, but i don't know what else would need changing too, or how difficult it might be.

Anyone know what i'd need to do, or even attempted this before?

Thanks for any suggestions!

Here's a pic of it, if it helps.

[MarJay]

I think its twin round headlamps and it will look quite nice. Don't mess about changing stuff, you'll only destroy its resale value.

You don't look at the mantlepiece when stoking the fire anyway!
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[MarJay]

Should look something like this:

https://www.cbt.me.uk/Nsr%20125cc%20Respray.JPG

Except in way better colours and no stickers.
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[Thom]

this was my last bike, and i quite want another if i can find one cheap, mine was a rebuild so a bit of a bugger at times and i ended up selling it out of frustration, i cant help but think changing the oil pump would have fixed mine but nvm!

Anyway, theyre quick, they fun, and theyre bonny, so enjoy
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[Im-a-Ridah]

I'd imagine it would be pretty difficult to do, probably would need a complete set of new fairings + mounts + headlight plus the real cost in making/modifying the mounts for the new fairings to fit the old bike.

It can't be highlighted enough that if you stick the new fairings on the old bike it will:
1. Be worth a lot less than standard
2. Look like a complete knock-off
3 Cost a hell of a lot to do

In terms of parts, it will be a couple hundred at a rough guess. Finally, speaking as a former foxeye owner, the headlights on the foxeye are literally a pair of poop and those round ones will well out-perform them anynight.

[MaybeGuy]

erm... that looks so much better than the fox eye thing.

no, really.
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[binge]

Ive seen both bikes in the flesh. And the one posted in the photo above is physically a bigger, Chunkier bike.
So I doubt the fox eye fairings will go on it.

Plus keep it as it is, Its a Classic.

[G]

Too much effort, too many differences.
Oh and I believe 1994 was the first Fox Eye year, so yours was probably made in 1993, though may have been registered later.

[alains]

you're wrong ,1993
in fact the bike on the pict is a 1992 model , serial number begin by something like HDJC20 colour NH1
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[Mr Hammers]

Thanks for all the info and advice, all, much appreciated, and i tend to agree with you, it's better to leave it as it is. The twin rounds look fine, although i have to say i still prefer the fox-eyes.

Anyway, the bike arrived today, much joy and much disappointment ensued. Joy, as it had finally arrived (been waiting for two weeks), but also disappointment, for mainly two reasons.

One is that it was actually a 1991 on a H, and not as i was led to believe a '94. That i could handle, and to be fair, while tattier than i expected, still relatively sound bodywork - bit scratched but not much actually broken. But, the biggest disappointment is the performance.

As it supposedly came from Italy i'd hoped it was already deristricted, but apparently not. According to the guy it's just the carb plate, not the exhaust or anything else...to be honest i'm not sure what to believe from them anymore..but i don't mind doing it myself, that's not a problem.

What is a problem though is how there's absolutely nothing between 4500 and 7000. i've had plenty of two strokes before, so i know they like being around the top end, but this is so bad i can't even tootle along between 30-50 without really caning it. Even pulling away needs a good handful too, or it just sags terribly.

Also, what is just as frustrating, is that unless you keep the revs up when stopping, it just dies. And then it won't start again on the button, so i have to bump it and keep pushing till she fires up again.

i suspect it's a carb issue, it may have something to do with the restriction plate maybe, and may run smooth if removed, but i doubt it.

Overall, i'm feeling a bit gutted. i'd been so looking forward to being back on a bike - and i was reminded of how much fun biking was doing my CBT on Saturday - and now i don't even want to ride the damn thing.

I have a feeling that the dealer isn't going to be very helpful, now that he has my money, so i expect it's now a case of trying to fix the problems and sell it on asap if i want to try and recoup my money.

Oh, and the brakes are rubbish too.

[Mr Hammers]

[G]

Sounds like a case of asking for/demanding a refund on 'not fit for the purpose sold'.

Does it start from cold from the button? I'd be worried there was some piston/barrel scraping going on.

[Mr Hammers]

Not sure about the refund..gotta speak to the guy first, as that's only fair, but i was under the impression that it probably comes under 'sold as seen', so i'm not exactly sure what rights i have. i used to deal cars years ago, so i know the law better as a seller than a buyer

i think i'd rather have it working than go through all the hassle of finding another NSR, to be honest.

With the choke on, yes, it seems to start ok. Very grumpy for the first 10 minutes though, sort of like a reluctant kid being forced to go to school.

i forgot to mention that i'm pretty sure that they replaced the piston (and i assume/hope the rings too) before it came. At first i was trying to ride it gently for at least a 100 or so miles, but as refuses to go forward unless the revs are high, that proved somewhat difficult...

My feeling is that it's the carb, and with removing the restrictor and giving it a good clean it *might* sort the problem out. It's just something that i really didn't want to have to be worrying about though, really.

[G]

[Mr Hammers]

No, luckily i don't think i signed anything, not even for receipt of the bike, so i should be ok there. i've since looked up the law on buying second-hand btw, and all that you say is indeed quite right.

i'll see if i can get hold of the guy today, and see what his reaction is and then take it from there. If he's willing to be fair and sort the problems out, i wouldn't mind keeping the bike.

Let's just hope he has a conscience

Edit: Ok, just spoke to the guy, and he is convinced that it's the restrictor plate that they installed. He says he's certain if i take that out, i will get all my mid-range back.

So, i'll give that a try at dinnertime, and if it does improve it then i'll be happy to keep the bike, but if it doesn't, then it's going back.

i said about the brakes, particularly the back disc, and he's offered to send me another disc for free, so that's something!

[jack_zxr400]

hope it all works out..
theres already a post on here about a guy who was having problems starting and sounds like the same thing so have a look at that.
try get your money back or sell it after some work and buy another nsr from england, easy to find lol :]
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[alains]

i am sure it's a 1992 model because i have the years of the deco here . there is no restrictions on this bike and i agree it needs a good cleaning , but everything : air foam filter , tank tap , carb . try to replace the membranes on the reed block by carbon model (the cylinder will fill better) the jetting is huge too , try to fit main 138 , idle 42 , power 65 and as plug BR9EIX . eventually if you find a bargain on a race pipe , go for it
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[Mr Hammers]

According to the logbook, it's a 91, but as it was an import originally maybe that's where the discrepancy lies..? It also says that the date of registration is 2001. i guess that's when it came over.

Well, aching hands and much scratched knuckles later...i've taken out the offending restrictor plate. Would have done everything you suggested at the time, but i was pushing the envolope of my dinner hour...

How many bolts holding the fairing on..!?

Haven't had chance to road test yet, but after a quick blip around the car park, it definitely feels like an improvement. Except that it doesn't idle at all now. Still, so long as it has a little bit of grunt mid-range i'll be happy.

Lord knows what jets are currently in there, but when it's all apart and i get chance to clean it all i'll have a looksee.

The pipe that's currently on there was touted as being a 'power pipe'. It's an "Apollo"..if you've ever heard of that?

Cheers muchly for all these helpful replies, btw!

[Mr Hammers]

[alains]

CARB is 28PHBH/FD (screws on the right) 28PHBH/FS (screws on the left)
power jet = OK
main jet 6413.138
idle jet 1486.42
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[Mr Hammers]

£14.23's worth of jets ordered, and on their way.

Thanks for the help, alains. Your excellent advice is much appreciated!

[alains]

by the way https://www.geneva-racing.ch/~alains/NSRtips.doc
you'll find jets positions . carefull with the floats , after having drained the float chamber , turn the carb upside down very gently , then take chamber off (the strip where the float valve sit can be affected by violent moves).
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[Mr Hammers]

Already downloaded, and the carb section printed out at work

And i've been very careful with that float, i know how easy they can bend.

Cheers!