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Mac_Black
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: RVF clutch problem Reply with quote

I think everyone was expecting this to come soon enough, so here it is Embarassed Laughing
Sorry about the long post but I'm just trying to paint a pictur to help you to help me out Mr. Green

Cuase:
Well recently I've been doing most of my riding with a pillion on board, and I've been getting used to it and pushing the bike harder.
Also throughout the week I've started to get allot more serious about the wheelies and such... My first real wheelie was a Standup!
When I haven't been riding with a passenger or down the industrial I've been giving the bike its usual beans, and I noticed that I think the clutch was slipping late in either 4th or 5th.

Well yesterday I realised that I've yet again been to harsh on my tyre, and I don't want to ride it anymore in the state it's in, so I though "fuck it I'm burning it up"
I did, I got home and I was struggling to get a last burnout out of it, the bike was just jolting and overheated to the point that I could hear the coolant boiling and bubbling.

Diagnosis:
I realised this afternoon when I went out to check on the bike that the clutch is actually stuck, I can change through all of the gears without holding it in... and I can't release it.
So I've knobbed about temporarily wrecked another bike, what do I do now?
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be your pushrod, or your clutch springs. obviously the most obvious thing would be the clutch plates wearing out, but they dont usually just ''stop''. theres usually a long drawn struggle where you end up struggling for 20mph in 6th gear as the clutch slips, then it finally fails. doesnt happen straight away.

is there no drive in the bike at all?

obviously the best thing to do is to take it apart and have a look. clutches are really simple, especially on an electric start bike.
(kick start ones are a cunt).

check all your springs are intact, and the operating mechanism is ok.

what is the resistance in the clutch lever like? normal?

is there a tiny bit of in and out play in it when it is fully extended?
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: RVF clutch problem Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
So I've knobbed about temporarily wrecked another bike, what do I do now?


Are you the new half_lyfe?

You do understand that if your melt your RVF there will be people with pitchforks and burning crosses standing outside your house?

Having made sure that the clutch cable and lever are correctly adjusted and that doesn't solve the problem...

1. Stick it on its paddock stand (if you have one)
2. Drain the oil, look at it. if it's got bits of fibrous material in it then you've ruined the clutch plates. Also pray that it doesn't look shiny or has bits of swarf in it.
3. Clutch cover off
4. plate off, springs out.
5. Measure spring length, as per haynes.
6. If they're fucked, replace them.
7. check plate thrust bearing and pushrod for correct operation
8. If all that's ok, then you might wanna take the clutch basket off and check the plates. Remember that they only go in one way and that the index marks need to be lined up.
9. Put it back together, you'll need to get a new gasket though.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 26 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: RVF clutch problem Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:


what is the resistance in the clutch lever like? normal?

is there a tiny bit of in and out play in it when it is fully extended?


The resistance is allmost normal, a wee bit stiff and pulling and releasing the clutch I can hear a sqeak Crying or Very sad
If by 'a tiny bit of in and out play' you mean does it move a few mm's without springing back then yes?

Timmeh wrote:
Mac_Kaliba wrote:
So I've knobbed about temporarily wrecked another bike, what do I do now?


Are you the new half_lyfe?
NO

You do understand that if your melt your RVF there will be people with pitchforks and burning crosses standing outside your house?
Yes, I feel ashamed and I'm bricking myself!
Having made sure that the clutch cable and lever are correctly adjusted and that doesn't solve the problem...

1. Stick it on its paddock stand (if you have one)
Just lost a bid for one on fleabay Neutral
2. Drain the oil, look at it. if it's got bits of fibrous material in it then you've ruined the clutch plates. Also pray that it doesn't look shiny or has bits of swarf in it.
3. Clutch cover off
4. plate off, springs out.
5. Measure spring length, as per haynes.
6. If they're fucked, replace them.
7. check plate thrust bearing and pushrod for correct operation
8. If all that's ok, then you might wanna take the clutch basket off and check the plates. Remember that they only go in one way and that the index marks need to be lined up.
9. Put it back together, you'll need to get a new gasket though.


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PostPosted: 11:18 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok well there appears to be a bronzey, glitery, greasy liquid substance around the clutch lever and speedo drive Confused
Ain't looking good is it Rolling Eyes
Looks like I can finaly get some money together to get the bike mint then... ohwell I'll just have to find another way to have fun in this weather (On my week off Crying or Very sad )
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unrelated I know but what is the opinion of the masses on these?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NC35-C-ABS-Fairing-Bodywork-for-Honda-RVF-400-RR-400RR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35583QQihZ017QQitemZ270257894244QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NC35-A-ABS-Fairing-Bodywork-for-Honda-RVF-400-RR-400RR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35583QQihZ016QQitemZ260265470705QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

I'm skeptical myself, but they seem allright.
Would you say it was a good option, is this Sacralige? Is this Madness? Views people
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a fairing set from Hong Kong and they were factory honda panels with an awesome paintjob. The whole thing (including shipping) cost me about £450.

The same thing here would have cost me £3k, so twas a bargain.

Look for paypal and loads of sells, most of these guys are power sellers, and can be (to an extent) trusted.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd recommend it then?
These guys have great feedback and seem reputable, I read through 10+ pages with the only neg's being from what seemed to be ignorant dickhead buyers...

Im a wierd sort of twat really ain't I? I'm trying to take care of this bike as much as I can, and I want to spend buckets of cash to make it mint and make me happy...
I don't want a repeat of the NSR tragedy and yet I still phrap the bollocks off of it and then go around doing stupid stunts lol.

If I overfilled the oil would it be safe?
Is there anything I can do to keep the bike running well whilst getting away with the good few occasional wheelies, becuase I love doing them and I want to get better Embarassed
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 27 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a more important note I've just won a bid on fleabay for another paddock stand that popped up... £50.01 including p&p from up north somewhere.
So when that arrives I'll prop the bike up on it and go through everything you said, might aswell give the internals a bit of a clean aswell.

Seeing as I'm gunna need to be replacing the gaskets and possibly the springs and pushrod at very least, would it be best to order these parts from my local garage just to be on the safe side (quick side Razz )

I can't believe I've got through another rear tyre in less than 2 months (under 2400km aswell Shocked ) The stupidity STOPS NOW!
Remember kids Donuts are bad for you, and your wallet.
But apparantly my mate can get me any set of tyres I want brand new for just £80! Yet again I'm skeptical but sort of relying on this now... We'll see
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:


If I overfilled the oil would it be safe?
Is there anything I can do to keep the bike running well whilst getting away with the good few occasional wheelies, becuase I love doing them and I want to get better Embarassed


Wouldn't be good for it.

If you want a wheelie bike you shouldn't have bought an RVF, the pick up's in the wrong place, should have bought Binge's NC29.

If you carry on doing wheelies it'll pop eventually. Depends how good you get how quickly.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to leave it then... sense must prevail Thumbs Up
To be fair the are a great bike so I really would like to keep it as nicely as I can, maybe its a keeper.
Onto another matter what would be a good choice for tyres?
I'm looking for something with good ammounts of grip, takes kindly to being chucked about, takes the speed and will consider compromising for long liverty Confused
Diablo corsa 3's?
Road Pilots?
Battlax BT090's? (current)
recomendations?
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunlop Alpha 10's have been getting good reviews of late.

Most people have BT090's or an BT090 on the front and a BT92 on the rear for commuting.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou ham but keep in mind I don't commute, I just ride this bike as often as possible purely for fun, usually at a solidly fast pace all over.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as I'm gunna need to be replacing the gaskets and possibly the springs and pushrod at very least, would it be best to order these parts from my local garage just to be on the safe side (quick side)?
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.rvf.dk/rickoliver/

The components are pretty expensive for the NC30/35 clutch, Nearly 40 notes for a set of clutch springs for example. So I would crack it open first to see what is what, perhaps get a gasket ordered as you will be needing one whatever.

If the friction plates are shot, go for OE Honda items as the EBC ones are easy to kill (well, if you can afford them).

BT090's are the tyre of choice for most 400 riders. I also used a BT090 on the front and a BT96 on the rear, worked fine.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:
Thankyou ham but keep in mind I don't commute, I just ride this bike as often as possible purely for fun, usually at a solidly fast pace all over.


090's or the dunnies then. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bt090's or dunlop gp racers - i had both on my cb1 and they were very very sticky Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 28 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou guys, much appreciated for your help... Shit why everytime that I'm in the workshop section do I forget to give karma where it's due? Rolling Eyes sorry credit on its way all Thumbs Up

Well I'm seeing my mates pops about the cheap set of 'whateveriwantforasteal' Surprised Razz tyres on Thursday but apparantly they won't be available until next tuesday... So even if I fix whatevers actually happening with my clutch I won't be riding during my break Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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