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freestyler_onli
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Just F.Y.I........... Reply with quote

This is something i picked up on a non-biker forum........


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Firstly, if you are pro sports-bike for the public highways, look away now!

After a little research it seems that the time has come to raise some awareness of a certain group of the motorbike community that break the law too excess (that's important!) for their entertainment at the expense of other road users and residents. Also a recent survey released showed that despite road accidents falling year on year, motorbike fatalities were the only sector increasing.

There are 4 main problems:

1. Excessively illegal speeds.
Vast amounts of readily available evidence to support this.

2. Illegal Race Exhausts
Obvious, significant ASB issues especially in rural areas.

3. Illegal Visors
Visors that do not transmit 50% and therefore not conform to BS 4110. Unsurprisingly there is a distinct correlation between riders that use these visors and those using public roads to race on.

4. Illegal registration plates
Again, selected by those riders intent on speeding. One-line miniature plates that do not conform to BS AU145a. Add this to the non requirement of front facing number plates, and a situation arises whereby bikes can effectively speed without ever fearing conviction by police or camera.

A trial initiative has been set up whereby volunteers are recording sports bikes that fall within the above criteria. A £5,000(!) fund has been started by a generous resident in Gloucestershire to purchase dashboard video cameras that can be provided for volunteers.

These memory card cameras log registration details, illegal plates, excessive speeding bikes etc. A database is then being built to cover, in the first instance, the following counties:

Gloucestershire
Wiltshire
Oxfordshire
Somerset
Berkshire
Hampshire

These are counties that have volunteers to date. Key roads are to be monitored at key times. Volunteers then given the option to report offenders via non-emergency number. Cars will NOT be targeted unless involved in blatant criminal activity, it is important to stress that it's the very obvious, dangerous and ASB lawbreakers we are concerned with.

Next, a London based production company has agreed, subject to material and evidence, to produce a pilot documentary to release to local networks or national stations. This is the stage at which senior members of forces will be asked to comment on the problem, and why specifically it is ignored. Likewise, local government and MP's will also be asked to be involved.

So, to those of you who are in favour of such a scheme:

1. Hope you find it interesting
2. Any advice or support welcome!

We know it's ambitious and some won't like our tactics, but enough is enough...



Seriously........
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Just F.Y.I........... Reply with quote

freestyler_onli wrote:
This is something i picked up on a non-biker forum........


Which forum?
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Re: Just F.Y.I........... Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
freestyler_onli wrote:
This is something i picked up on a non-biker forum........


Which forum?

+1 name and shame, this could be fun.....
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Quick search finds it here:-

https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=25&t=25522

Note that the original poster seems to be claiming that they regularly see bikes going past at 90 in a 40 limit. Something that I struggle to remember ever seeing.

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PostPosted: 09:32 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=25&t=25522

edit *bah, keith beat me to it Laughing *
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, just goes to prove that the majority of police are nothing but Facist storm troopers with little idea of what happens in the real world.

I for one wear a dark visor, but I don't have a small plate or ride excessively fast in 20, 30, 40, or 50 limits. I don't break the speed limit by a lot in national speed limits, and I keep up with the flow of traffic on motorways.

When I sell the blade, I won't even have a sportsbike!

Talk about discrimination. Imagine if the same post was put onto the police forum with regard to Muslims, or indeed any other section of society. There'd be a massive outcry.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Reading that page (takes ages due to the poor choice of colour scheme) I don't think the original poster is a copper. Just some busy body who thinks the copper might be impressed with their meddling.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:44 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

However, on the upside if it was any other forum (such as a car or caravanners forum) I'd have been more worried than it being on a police forum.

The police are the only ones who are really worried about the 'biker menace' and the fact that they are specifically targeting sportsbikes is bad but actually pretty naive. A Triumph tiger can do the things they suggest, its just that sports bike riders seem to have a habit of drawing attention to themselves...
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure the police are targetting sports bikes (although having a noisy pipe is a good way to make yourself obvious to the police).

The police get lots of complaints about noisy bikes (and you can be pretty certain that a large number of those are noisy cars that are assumed to be bikes, as noisy bikes are so common), and riders have a habit of wiping themselves out on a regular basis. Hence they get noticed.

However the suggestion in that thread seems to come from one of those local busy bodies who the police normally fob off with some obsolete speed detection equipment and some hi vis jackets. So naive that they probably think their speedo is accurate.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:52 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Reading that page (takes ages due to the poor choice of colour scheme) I don't think the original poster is a copper. Just some busy body who thinks the copper might be impressed with their meddling.

All the best

Keith


Spot on........ Cool
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's he on about racing for? I'm only speaking for myself here but the only racey thing I do on my sports bike is try and keep up with quick bikes in front of me. I don't try and take the outside line round the bend and force them into a ditch to 'move up a position' on a country road Rolling Eyes

Now some people may do this but I don't want to be associated with that, save it for the track Thumbs Up

I think it's quite amusing that someones spent 5 grand on something that's gonna do nothing to change police attitudes towards bikers. They're already clamping down, can't these people see that we're already discriminated against. If I see one of these on a ride out I'm gonna cause havoc Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Irony is that you would need an exceptionally good camera (way better than anything the police would bother to use:£5k might get you a copy of the brochure) to be able to check the writing on an exhaust or on a visor to see if they are legal.

If they can read the registration to trace the bike then exact legalities are pretty irrelevant.

That just leaves speed, and if they are going anything like as quickly as they claim then not a hope in hell of a cheap camera on the dashboard catching the plate. Doing 90 in a 40 passing a car doing 40 means the bike would be pulling away at ~25 yards a second (half a dozen car lengths), or about 2 yards per frame on a cheap camera. Not going to be a readable plate, so is the driver going to write down the registration plate while they are driving?

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith is spot on again. RSGM seems like a has been with too much time on his hands now he's retired. I'd put him down as having owned several Nissan Micras from new until their first MOT failure, all in beige or brown. He's got a West Highland Terrier. Normally, his dog travels on the rear parcel shelf of said Micra, probably on a tartan blanket. He's never had an accident, but "seen several in my rear view mirrors" in over 60 years of motoring. His wife wishes he'd shut the hell up. She can cook a mean stew though. He's got an allotment in the villiage, and an immaculate lawn, which he tends every other day with his Suffolk Punch mower. Oh, and he does NOT like "One Foot In The Grave", it's just not funny. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Reading that page (takes ages due to the poor choice of colour scheme)


It's easier if it's not in printable view. Thumbs Up

https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?s=9c83d6fbeb7e33ff9b3b62cd32e58059&showtopic=25522
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh not again , I hate these moral crusaders, the best way to annilate such people is to catch THEM doing something wrong,
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another brigade of busy bodies annoyed at anyone else disturbing their fragile existence to have fun. Just like the O.A.P. neighbourhood watch programs, which are little more than snoopy pensioners twitching curtains as vehicles drive past, whom the police only humour by pretending they care as the sad old bints have nothing better to do in life. Fact is a conviction is never going to arise from the word of a member of the public, especially the doddering old volvo drivers who still think motorways are for the suicidal.
Quite pathetic that some poor sod has so much faith that this will make a blind bit of difference he's stumped up five grand though. I could think of much better things to spend that on than targetting noisy exhausts and tinted visors.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beh,

I see more chavs in sooped up corsas speeding with 6 people in the car than I do seeing motorbikes speeding. Well actually most ped drivers attempt to speed with their sooped up peds but they can oly do 50 so I don't know where this guy is coming from?
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'm missing something, but what's wrong with illegal exhausts in rural areas, there are no residents around to hear them so it's hardly causing a problem.

It low revs most race cans are pretty quiet anyway. What about someone on his Harley with screaming eagle pipes, or someone on a rat bike with a piece of scaffold tube as an exhaust?

Are these better or worse or the same? I like the way it's always a very small sector of biking which is targeted.

I should be ok, I ride a Firestorm on the road, it's not a sports bike, so I'll get away with the loud cans. Cool
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, just to clarify - this is no vigilante style operation, no one will be pursuing bikers and waving cameras at them, The cameras are dashboard mounted and totally hidden, and volunteers are merely driving and recording at their leisure. No one would be expected to openly question a power ranger and chums - after all, it is their right by the constitution to use the roads as they wish, or so we would be led to believe... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing can you believe he said that last part
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a look through it and from what I can gather there is one particular biker, or group of bikers this guy is after, doesn't appear to be an actual thing at all.

One thing that made me a bit confused is if the bikes he is looking for have small number plates, how will a dashboard cam help?
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but what's wrong with illegal exhausts in rural areas, there are no residents around to hear them so it's hardly causing a problem.


Plenty of residents and higher speeds make the noise louder so it travels further. Doesn't need to be that loud to be heard a mile away, so that is close to 4 square miles that can hear it at any one time.

There is a straight used quite often to thrash bikes that is about 3 miles away that I can hear from my house.

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

N30, they're coming for you Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 01 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate these fucking wankers,
Someone find me the address of the funding man
and I'll go and burnout on his lawn and trash his equipment.
Then I'll employ an army of chimpanzee's to go in his house and look at illegal porn so he gets publicly humiliated for being a pedo...
(I am completely serious apart from the pedochimps)
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 02 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac_Kaliba wrote:

(I am completely serious apart from the pedochimps)


But, they were the best bit! Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 02 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I ever see one of these busybody volunteers (I live in Oxon) I will treat him as a GATSO and set the cvnt on fire.
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