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 freestyler_onli World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 08:12 - 01 Jul 2008 Post subject: Just F.Y.I........... |
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This is something i picked up on a non-biker forum........
| Quote: | Firstly, if you are pro sports-bike for the public highways, look away now!
After a little research it seems that the time has come to raise some awareness of a certain group of the motorbike community that break the law too excess (that's important!) for their entertainment at the expense of other road users and residents. Also a recent survey released showed that despite road accidents falling year on year, motorbike fatalities were the only sector increasing.
There are 4 main problems:
1. Excessively illegal speeds.
Vast amounts of readily available evidence to support this.
2. Illegal Race Exhausts
Obvious, significant ASB issues especially in rural areas.
3. Illegal Visors
Visors that do not transmit 50% and therefore not conform to BS 4110. Unsurprisingly there is a distinct correlation between riders that use these visors and those using public roads to race on.
4. Illegal registration plates
Again, selected by those riders intent on speeding. One-line miniature plates that do not conform to BS AU145a. Add this to the non requirement of front facing number plates, and a situation arises whereby bikes can effectively speed without ever fearing conviction by police or camera.
A trial initiative has been set up whereby volunteers are recording sports bikes that fall within the above criteria. A £5,000(!) fund has been started by a generous resident in Gloucestershire to purchase dashboard video cameras that can be provided for volunteers.
These memory card cameras log registration details, illegal plates, excessive speeding bikes etc. A database is then being built to cover, in the first instance, the following counties:
Gloucestershire
Wiltshire
Oxfordshire
Somerset
Berkshire
Hampshire
These are counties that have volunteers to date. Key roads are to be monitored at key times. Volunteers then given the option to report offenders via non-emergency number. Cars will NOT be targeted unless involved in blatant criminal activity, it is important to stress that it's the very obvious, dangerous and ASB lawbreakers we are concerned with.
Next, a London based production company has agreed, subject to material and evidence, to produce a pilot documentary to release to local networks or national stations. This is the stage at which senior members of forces will be asked to comment on the problem, and why specifically it is ignored. Likewise, local government and MP's will also be asked to be involved.
So, to those of you who are in favour of such a scheme:
1. Hope you find it interesting
2. Any advice or support welcome!
We know it's ambitious and some won't like our tactics, but enough is enough...
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 Posted: 09:49 - 01 Jul 2008 Post subject: |
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Hi
Not sure the police are targetting sports bikes (although having a noisy pipe is a good way to make yourself obvious to the police).
The police get lots of complaints about noisy bikes (and you can be pretty certain that a large number of those are noisy cars that are assumed to be bikes, as noisy bikes are so common), and riders have a habit of wiping themselves out on a regular basis. Hence they get noticed.
However the suggestion in that thread seems to come from one of those local busy bodies who the police normally fob off with some obsolete speed detection equipment and some hi vis jackets. So naive that they probably think their speedo is accurate.
All the best
Keith ____________________ Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing |
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What's he on about racing for? I'm only speaking for myself here but the only racey thing I do on my sports bike is try and keep up with quick bikes in front of me. I don't try and take the outside line round the bend and force them into a ditch to 'move up a position' on a country road
Now some people may do this but I don't want to be associated with that, save it for the track
I think it's quite amusing that someones spent 5 grand on something that's gonna do nothing to change police attitudes towards bikers. They're already clamping down, can't these people see that we're already discriminated against. If I see one of these on a ride out I'm gonna cause havoc  ____________________ Bike - '98 Yamaha YZF600 Thundercat Pics
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 Posted: 10:03 - 01 Jul 2008 Post subject: |
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Hi
Irony is that you would need an exceptionally good camera (way better than anything the police would bother to use:£5k might get you a copy of the brochure) to be able to check the writing on an exhaust or on a visor to see if they are legal.
If they can read the registration to trace the bike then exact legalities are pretty irrelevant.
That just leaves speed, and if they are going anything like as quickly as they claim then not a hope in hell of a cheap camera on the dashboard catching the plate. Doing 90 in a 40 passing a car doing 40 means the bike would be pulling away at ~25 yards a second (half a dozen car lengths), or about 2 yards per frame on a cheap camera. Not going to be a readable plate, so is the driver going to write down the registration plate while they are driving?
All the best
Keith ____________________ Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing |
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Keith is spot on again. RSGM seems like a has been with too much time on his hands now he's retired. I'd put him down as having owned several Nissan Micras from new until their first MOT failure, all in beige or brown. He's got a West Highland Terrier. Normally, his dog travels on the rear parcel shelf of said Micra, probably on a tartan blanket. He's never had an accident, but "seen several in my rear view mirrors" in over 60 years of motoring. His wife wishes he'd shut the hell up. She can cook a mean stew though. He's got an allotment in the villiage, and an immaculate lawn, which he tends every other day with his Suffolk Punch mower. Oh, and he does NOT like "One Foot In The Grave", it's just not funny.  |
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Oh not again , I hate these moral crusaders, the best way to annilate such people is to catch THEM doing something wrong, ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Maybe I'm missing something, but what's wrong with illegal exhausts in rural areas, there are no residents around to hear them so it's hardly causing a problem.
It low revs most race cans are pretty quiet anyway. What about someone on his Harley with screaming eagle pipes, or someone on a rat bike with a piece of scaffold tube as an exhaust?
Are these better or worse or the same? I like the way it's always a very small sector of biking which is targeted.
I should be ok, I ride a Firestorm on the road, it's not a sports bike, so I'll get away with the loud cans.  ____________________ My Flickr |
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Sorry, just to clarify - this is no vigilante style operation, no one will be pursuing bikers and waving cameras at them, The cameras are dashboard mounted and totally hidden, and volunteers are merely driving and recording at their leisure. No one would be expected to openly question a power ranger and chums - after all, it is their right by the constitution to use the roads as they wish, or so we would be led to believe... can you believe he said that last part |
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I had a look through it and from what I can gather there is one particular biker, or group of bikers this guy is after, doesn't appear to be an actual thing at all.
One thing that made me a bit confused is if the bikes he is looking for have small number plates, how will a dashboard cam help? ____________________ Past: 55 Sym Jet, 91 ZZR250, 03 NSR125R. Present: 97 ER-5.
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If I ever see one of these busybody volunteers (I live in Oxon) I will treat him as a GATSO and set the cvnt on fire. ____________________ Don't practice it until you get it right, practice it until you don't get it wrong.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 252 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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