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blownygti
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Lights on or not ? Reply with quote

do you guys / girls always ride with your lights on irrelevant of the time of day ?
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rac3r
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine dont turn off Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup I always have them on

better to be seen with Wink
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PostPosted: 07:23 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Only if its foggy, or badly overcast, or getting darker. In the daytime I rarely ride with lights. I don't see any practical benefit from it other than wasting my battery.

Riding with your lights on isn't going to make naff all difference if you have shit road positioning. Most of the people I see out on bikes, that have their lights on, at the moment are in the gutters, and on the corners off cars.

I am not saying it might not have a slight advantage if you are positioned decently in the first place, but I don't think it makes as much of a difference as people think it do. I think it is a kind of placebo effect. If you think you ride better with your lights on, who knows perhaps that reassurance enables you to ride better.
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine are always on also Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine are constantly on on the VFR which is annoying as I flattened the battery on the 2nd day of owning her. I did my usual routine of getting ready which involved disarm the alarm, ignition on, roll the bike out then get my lid and gloves on etc. (batttery was low after being sat in the showroom for quite a while). With the ZZR and the divvy I could do that, then flick the lights on as I pulled away.

Now it's, turn off shock sensor, move bike, gear up, Disarm, ignition on, start and ride off.

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PostPosted: 08:30 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine are also on all the time, even if they weren't I still would have them on at all time at all time.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always on dipped beam. Main beam not good - dazzles other road using folk and makes it hard for them to perceive your distance from them correctly.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn them off in the day time.

It's harder for people to judge distances when you've got the lights on the day time, so all you're doing is increasing the chances that you'll have someone pull out in front of you. Confused
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, i have the choice to have them on or off, so i always have full beam on during the day. Reading the various comments though i might start using the dipped/half beam thingy.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
It is all to do with depth and hazard perception.

In daylight, the headlamp creates an aura of light or haze that actually shrouds the object behind it, in this case the bike. Motorists may see you approaching from some distance and judge your speed and distance incorrectly. For example, I have just finished a case where the bike was on dipped beam headlights approaching a minor junction. The miotorist emerging from the junction saw the bike and estimated that he (the bike) was about 500 yards away doing about 30 MPH. he was actually about 150 yards away doing around the 60 mark in a national limit. End result one dead rider!

Next time the sun is low in the sky, ride your bike out of the sun with your headlight on. Even with sunglasses it is near on impossible to see the bike simply because the headlamp makes things worse.

There are dozens of other scenarios where the use of a headlight may be detremental to the health of the rider, hence the reason why it should be down to individual choice.

In most cases if you want to display lights (excepting that hard wiring prevents this at the moment) sidelights are a better option along with bright coloured clothing or helmets!

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You also run the risk of being booked for riding without due care and attention (careless driving), and being on high beam is when that is an issue that may well be taken into account and can work against you if involved in an accident!


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You had better hope then that you are not involved in an accident which I am required to investigate as I may hold the displaying of headlights as a contributing factor to causation depending onthe circumstances. (unless of course they are constantly on due to the new ideas the jap factories have of displaying lights all the time in which case one of the major factories may well get sued.)

There are numerous cases of accidents being caused as a result of headlights being displayed, not least of which is the fact that many car drivers have difficulty perceiving speed and distance of bikes approaching with headlights displayed.

There are also cases where someone has thought they are being flashed out (which I know they shouldn't act on) but what has really happened is that the bike has hit an undulation in the road and it appears they have been flashed.

Sidelights in good conditions are a much better option as they are bright enoughto draw your attention to other road users, but not bright enough to confuse, and if youin addition wear something like a brightly coloured helmet, you will be even more visible.

I probably get about 100 cases a year where the use of a headlight in daylight condiotions has directly attributed to the cause of the accident, and most people display headlights for no other reason than the fact that they have a mate down the pub who told them that they must display it or because their CBT instructor said they must.

It is all about using the equipment available in appropriate situations, and bright daylight conditions is not always one of them.

The Highway code advises the displaying of headlights, and in fact they are wrong on a number of issues, for example the wearing of a white helmet. It has been proven by scientists that in quite a few situations, the helmet blends in with the background and cannot be seen at all, and yet they still insist on wearing a white helmet. It is not law it is advice.
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neil.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting post, Ste Thumbs Up Karma
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jack_zxr400
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh if the driver see's you, they should wait until its safe and oncoming traffic is clear

..but should'a, would'a, could'a its not what you'll be thinking at the time, its after
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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..but should'a, would'a, could'a its not what you'll be thinking at the time, its after


.....nice, song for every occasion!! Wink

I have no choice mine are permanently on, but very interesting post from Ste.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have no choice, they are on dipped beam constantly with the option to switch to full beam and to flash, to be honest I think I would prefer to ride with them not on at all after reading some of the above posts.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

as a non rider i suggest you guys do use lights at all times. it does make it easier to spot you and that can only be a good thing
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


Sidelights in good conditions are a much better option as they are bright enoughto draw your attention to other road users,


who was this load of shite quoted from? sidelights (or PARKING lights) serve no purpose on the road while you are mobile. lights are there to enable you to see in dark or adverse conditions AS WELL AS enabling you to be seen. sidelights do neither of these. if you want to see for yourself, check your mirrors next time you are riding/driving in the rain and see for yourself how useless sidelights are
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't turn them off Shocked
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Ste
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

scanny wrote:
who was this load of shite quoted from? sidelights (or PARKING lights) serve no purpose on the road while you are mobile. lights are there to enable you to see in dark or adverse conditions AS WELL AS enabling you to be seen. sidelights do neither of these. if you want to see for yourself, check your mirrors next time you are riding/driving in the rain and see for yourself how useless sidelights are

From a guy on here called T.C who's an accident investiagor, ex police biker and police accident investiagor and lots of other qualifations. Basically he knows this stuff far better than anyone else on here. We're not talking about adverse conditions, just normal daylight.

By all means ride around with lights on in the day if you want, but the fact remains it can make it harder for other road users to judge distances and could be used against you if you're involved in a crash.

It's your own risk to take if you want but it doesn't offer any benefit so would be a bit of a bad risk to take. Confused
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste, well done for picking up TC's comments and putting them forward coherently. I'm not gonna give you a Karma cookie cos it's TC who deserves it (where is he now anyway?) but you have made me change my position on having my lights on. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here but I can't switch the damn things off on my YBR Sad
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattgirv wrote:
I don't see any practical benefit from it other than wasting my battery.


Laughing You do know how a bikes electric system works right?

And to be honest I have spotted bikes and cars very easily when they have their lights on, especially when they are approaching from behind. When riding with my lights on cars tend to pull in more often to let me through, compared to when riding with my lights off.

Granted cars may find it harder to judge speed and distance with the lights on, they also have a lower chance of spotting you.

Its got pluses and negatives, I just prefer having my lights on tbh.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Main beam during the day, dip beam at night.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting post Ste, T.C. does know his stuff. I've always been a bit on the fence with headlights in the day, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, depends how vulnerable I'm feeling.

Think this has discouraged me from having them on in the day.

Also the thing about white helmets sounds interesting. I remember reading something about white being a poor choice of an attention pulling colour. good to hear something else to back it up. I went for a solid gloss black lid.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 01 Aug 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
mattgirv wrote:
I don't see any practical benefit from it other than wasting my battery.


Laughing You do know how a bikes electric system works right?

And to be honest I have spotted bikes and cars very easily when they have their lights on, especially when they are approaching from behind. When riding with my lights on cars tend to pull in more often to let me through, compared to when riding with my lights off.

Granted cars may find it harder to judge speed and distance with the lights on, they also have a lower chance of spotting you.

Its got pluses and negatives, I just prefer having my lights on tbh.


Hah yeah, I do. I just figure theres no point having them on and using something I don't particularly need.

Admittedly I have had a couple of bikes that have not had a headlight switch, I am more than happy to leave it be. I figure I'd might as well be using all my switches regularly anyway to lower the chance of something corroding/stopping working.
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