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| blownygti |
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| rac3r |
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mine dont turn off  |
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| jack_zxr400 |
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Yup I always have them on
better to be seen with  ____________________ Previous Bike: ZXR 400
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| mattgirv |
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No. Only if its foggy, or badly overcast, or getting darker. In the daytime I rarely ride with lights. I don't see any practical benefit from it other than wasting my battery.
Riding with your lights on isn't going to make naff all difference if you have shit road positioning. Most of the people I see out on bikes, that have their lights on, at the moment are in the gutters, and on the corners off cars.
I am not saying it might not have a slight advantage if you are positioned decently in the first place, but I don't think it makes as much of a difference as people think it do. I think it is a kind of placebo effect. If you think you ride better with your lights on, who knows perhaps that reassurance enables you to ride better. ____________________ Bikes: 1998 Honda VFR800Fi, 26,500 miles
1989 Honda CB-1, 38,000 miles |
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| YZFR1IAN |
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mine are always on also  ____________________ 05 Yamaha YBR125 > 94 Honda CB500 > 98 Honda Hornet 600 > 02 Yamaha R6 > 2000 Yamaha R1 > 2000 Yamaha XJR1300SP > 2000 Honda CBR929RR Fireblade
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 chris-red Have you considered a TDM?

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 Ste Not Work Safe

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Turn them off in the day time.
It's harder for people to judge distances when you've got the lights on the day time, so all you're doing is increasing the chances that you'll have someone pull out in front of you.  |
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 Ste Not Work Safe

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| T.C wrote: | It is all to do with depth and hazard perception.
In daylight, the headlamp creates an aura of light or haze that actually shrouds the object behind it, in this case the bike. Motorists may see you approaching from some distance and judge your speed and distance incorrectly. For example, I have just finished a case where the bike was on dipped beam headlights approaching a minor junction. The miotorist emerging from the junction saw the bike and estimated that he (the bike) was about 500 yards away doing about 30 MPH. he was actually about 150 yards away doing around the 60 mark in a national limit. End result one dead rider!
Next time the sun is low in the sky, ride your bike out of the sun with your headlight on. Even with sunglasses it is near on impossible to see the bike simply because the headlamp makes things worse.
There are dozens of other scenarios where the use of a headlight may be detremental to the health of the rider, hence the reason why it should be down to individual choice.
In most cases if you want to display lights (excepting that hard wiring prevents this at the moment) sidelights are a better option along with bright coloured clothing or helmets! |
| Quote: | You also run the risk of being booked for riding without due care and attention (careless driving), and being on high beam is when that is an issue that may well be taken into account and can work against you if involved in an accident! |
| Quote: | You had better hope then that you are not involved in an accident which I am required to investigate as I may hold the displaying of headlights as a contributing factor to causation depending onthe circumstances. (unless of course they are constantly on due to the new ideas the jap factories have of displaying lights all the time in which case one of the major factories may well get sued.)
There are numerous cases of accidents being caused as a result of headlights being displayed, not least of which is the fact that many car drivers have difficulty perceiving speed and distance of bikes approaching with headlights displayed.
There are also cases where someone has thought they are being flashed out (which I know they shouldn't act on) but what has really happened is that the bike has hit an undulation in the road and it appears they have been flashed.
Sidelights in good conditions are a much better option as they are bright enoughto draw your attention to other road users, but not bright enough to confuse, and if youin addition wear something like a brightly coloured helmet, you will be even more visible.
I probably get about 100 cases a year where the use of a headlight in daylight condiotions has directly attributed to the cause of the accident, and most people display headlights for no other reason than the fact that they have a mate down the pub who told them that they must display it or because their CBT instructor said they must.
It is all about using the equipment available in appropriate situations, and bright daylight conditions is not always one of them.
The Highway code advises the displaying of headlights, and in fact they are wrong on a number of issues, for example the wearing of a white helmet. It has been proven by scientists that in quite a few situations, the helmet blends in with the background and cannot be seen at all, and yet they still insist on wearing a white helmet. It is not law it is advice. |
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Very interesting post, Ste  ____________________ CBT February 2008 | A2 June 2008 | Yamaha YBR125 (written off) | Honda CBF125 (current) |
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can't turn them off  |
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Ste, well done for picking up TC's comments and putting them forward coherently. I'm not gonna give you a cookie cos it's TC who deserves it (where is he now anyway?) but you have made me change my position on having my lights on.  |
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Same here but I can't switch the damn things off on my YBR  ____________________ CBT February 2008 | A2 June 2008 | Yamaha YBR125 (written off) | Honda CBF125 (current) |
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| ncrn wrote: | | mattgirv wrote: | I don't see any practical benefit from it other than wasting my battery. |
You do know how a bikes electric system works right?
And to be honest I have spotted bikes and cars very easily when they have their lights on, especially when they are approaching from behind. When riding with my lights on cars tend to pull in more often to let me through, compared to when riding with my lights off.
Granted cars may find it harder to judge speed and distance with the lights on, they also have a lower chance of spotting you.
Its got pluses and negatives, I just prefer having my lights on tbh. |
Hah yeah, I do. I just figure theres no point having them on and using something I don't particularly need.
Admittedly I have had a couple of bikes that have not had a headlight switch, I am more than happy to leave it be. I figure I'd might as well be using all my switches regularly anyway to lower the chance of something corroding/stopping working. ____________________ Bikes: 1998 Honda VFR800Fi, 26,500 miles
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 174 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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