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PostPosted: 07:31 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Petrol prices Reply with quote

Hi, got this in my email box yesterday and have now forwarded it to all my mates but though I will put it on here as well.
See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it, just copy and paste the bols text to an email and send it off.
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We are hitting 123.9 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying 2.00 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT,whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join in!

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place
not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not
purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.


If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and
pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt,
all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference . If this makes
sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE

It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso

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PostPosted: 07:42 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory i guess it could work, but we as a nation dont tend to stick together.
How much is a litre of fuel BEFORE the scum government wollop their taxes on it?
Maybe it would be more beneficial to protest the government, maybe by firebombing 10 downing street whilst slackjaw is in residence Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the main problem with that is company drivers, at my last job i had a fuel card that i could only use at total, plus the fact most company car drivers couldnt give a shit because there not paying for it!
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find anything saying that Exon and BP are the same company. In fact I'm fairly sure that they are completely separate as they are, in my opinion, at the other ends of the ethical spectrum. If I remember correctly exon invest little to nothing in renewable energy, where as BP are one of the best when it comes to this.

Sounds like standard chain letter spam to me.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not this again.....

Price hikes are due to speculation, since the easy oil still hasn't run out.

Also the current problem of fiat currency, 2008 $100 isn't worth 2005 $100, due to constant running on the money printing presses.

Ontop of this on the other side OPEC who trades in USD see the billions of USD they are holding lose value from 04-05 effectively 1/5th of the value has gone, hence oil forgetting speculation costs EXACTLY the same, its just the fact that your money is less valuable.

If you don't believe me go as somebody over 50 , how much a crown would buy a crown is now worth 25p. In ten years time we'll be telling younger folks how much £10 could buy £10 is currently falling in value by 25-40% btw.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 01 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always said that nothing would change as long as people still bought it en masse. Protest all we want. It won't really change anything.

What we do need is everyone who is able to not to use their cars/bikes for a week and just use public transport or walk.

This should cause a loss in fuel revenues and should expose the bad state of public transport.
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PostPosted: 06:19 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That things has been on the internet even when petrol was 70p a litre.

It doesn't work because no one does it.

Also BP and Exxon aren't the same company. I did a report on BP last year for uni.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

last i heard it was about 80% tax on petrol..unsure if thats correct it would not surprise me though
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad_man wrote:
last i heard it was about 80% tax on petrol..unsure if thats correct it would not surprise me though


Depends how you count it.

Currently about 58% of the forecourt price is tax, which works out at about 137% tax added to the price.

Duty is 50.35p a litre for petrol and diesel, and then VAT is added on top of that.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:24 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:08 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really p1sses me off though is why the goverment doesn't reduce the tax during this period of being held to ransom by the opec tossers.

They preach on about helping people but when i asked during the local elections about reducing fuel duty all i got was the usual dribble.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:
What really p1sses me off though is why the goverment doesn't reduce the tax during this period of being held to ransom by the opec tossers.


If someone adds on in tax several time the price you sell something for, then would you feel obligated to go out of your way to keep prices down?

It isn't OPEC that is the problem. Their production has increased faster than consumption has increased. Merely that the price has been talked up / speculated up.

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PostPosted: 12:37 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also it comes down to the dollar because thats what its traded in and the lower the value of the dollar the higher they will sell it for to make the same amount (inflation).

Hopefully once the US election is out the way the dollar will improve and the price will start to fall.

If it doesn't the the Tin foil hat wearing brigade will have a field day.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:
Hopefully once the US election is out the way the dollar will improve and the price will start to fall.


That is some of it, but for our forecourt prices we need to also remember the pound / dollar exchange rate. While the pound is not doing badly against the dollar, the Euro is doing far better. Added to which there is a fair chance the UK economy will be screwed for a few years which is likely to make the exchange rate worse.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:20 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:


If it doesn't the the Tin foil hat wearing brigade will have a field day.


Laughing Laughing Laughing meaning the average uninformed person Wink
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:
What really p1sses me off though is why the goverment doesn't reduce the tax during this period of being held to ransom by the opec tossers.

They preach on about helping people but when i asked during the local elections about reducing fuel duty all i got was the usual dribble.


Just remember WE are also a oil producing nation. High prices also means more profits and tax to the government.

I guess you are young. Rolling Eyes wondering why they won't reduce taxes. Confused

And we had better just pray to god that the dollar does not get stronger and return back to something like $1.2 to £1, compared to the $2 to £1... Coz if you think petrol is dear now, just think what that will do to petrol prices...
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Parliment whenever somebody says reduce taxes , Blair always used to say so what services are you going to cut for it then?.

Curiously enough tax credits were overpaid to the tune of 10bn over two years, and yet there were no immediate cuts.

10bn is about 1/4 off fuel tax.

But it is impossible for the government to reduce taxes, there is a current saying

"even Stalin knew to may hay when the sun was shining" ,

Gordon Brown didn't he squanded it ALL when the going was good (it up to 2004) and to boot sold most of the gold at $200 an Oz.

Fast forward to 2008 ,

the Labour party are about to become bankrupt as the Co-op have decided to call in their loan for the 30th June.

The government is 3.26 trillion in debt

Add in PFI and public sector pensions the government is about 7.2 trillion in debt.

Just to give you a bit of a shock:

thats

£326,000,000,000,000

OR

£720,000,000,000,000

consider the magnitude vs the tax take

£500,000,000,000

Oh and to make things even worse we pay 7% interest on that.

Thus their only solution is hyper inflation.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention the masses of cash that companies get away with tax theft.

Start chasing up and actually punishing big companies for tax avoidance and fuel duty could be cut quite easily I reckon. Has anyone (I'm looking at you Itchy Smile) got the figures for how much corporate tax fraud is?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you mean a certain supermarket with which has the letters

E S C O T Wink


in its name

Which moved several billion estimated to be 1-5bn a year through various caribean islands, this company is more powerful than the government though....

Also the problem of taxodus, increase taxes stop letting people get away with as much as before and companies think sack this and move away.

A large number of firms have moved domicile and residence already.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Itchy, but where do we draw the line?
Just give in to big powerful companies who demand lower taxes?

I guess this is the beauty of protest though. It allows a large number of the 'little ones' to have their own voice and over power the big 'baddies'
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 02 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

First stage, reduce government waste so that taxes can be reduced.

So much is wasted through needlessly complex bureaucracy. DVLA with SORN, etc. Income tax with far too many complex clauses. Etc.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 03 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stelmer wrote:


What we do need is everyone who is able to not to use their cars/bikes for a week and just use public transport or walk.



Not really? Not so long back in papers/news they were trying to get more people to use public transport because of global warming. All you will be doing by that is doing the government a favor. Also the cost of public transport is stupid. For me to get a bus to my school 3 mile away it cost me 1.10

For me to get a bus to my local town center 5 miles away.. is 1.80

Thats child prices btw. So adult i am looking at paying about 2.40 to go to town?

Balls to that. I'm happy paying 6 pound a week for petrol on my moped.

Maybe if people decided not to buy the 2.5 litre or the 5.2 litre Mercedes and other cars in the high powered range then they will stop complaining about petrol. Personally i don't think petrol prices will go down at all. No matter what we do.
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 03 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No i'm not that young Smile

I still remember petrol being 39.9p a litre when i was going to college back in 1989.

So in just under 20 years its gone up nearly a pound a litre !

In the US when they tried to hike prices they all got out their six shooters and went mental.

In the UK a bloke called Dave and his pet chicken Stuart blockaded a refinery somewhere no one had ever heard of.

People power can work its just getting the British people to realise it.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 03 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bofh5 wrote:
No i'm not that young Smile

I still remember petrol being 39.9p a litre when i was going to college back in 1989.
People power can work its just getting the British people to realise it.


Laughing
1st bike Suzuki AP50 tank size 1.6 gall or 6.05 Ltr for the young uns. Used to cost sub £1 to fill up. That would be in 77/78. Think a gall was around 50p Which is like 10p a ltr Mr. Green So in 30 years that a 10 fold increase, which when you consider how things have risen in the same time is a hell of a large increase above the average.

The only way to bring prices down is to stop using as much, but that ain't going to happen as there is too much "I'm all rite Jack" these days.
We have to remember we have no god given rite to use cars etc on the cheap. Market forces drive prices, Yes tax is too high, but unless the Goverment can find another way of raising the loss from the fuel duty. It ain't going to happen.

Public transport will not get cheaper with fuel prices this high unless the goverment decides to give them and the road hauliers a tax break and cut the duty to them. Perhaps allow them to use RED desiel would be a start and easy to enforce.
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