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 Posted: 13:17 - 13 Aug 2008  Post subject: Town hall snoopers are demanding access to people's bedrooms |
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Town hall snoopers are demanding access to people's bedrooms, it has emerged.
Officials say they need to enter and inspect properties where a council tax discount is claimed.
Seven and a half million people - a large number of them pensioners - are entitled to 25 per cent off their annual bill because they live on their own.
The Conservatives warned that householders are being pressured into signing a declaration agreeing to an internal inspection of their homes in order to prove they really are single.
One form, produced by Thurrock Council in Essex, reads: 'To be completed and returned immediately if you wish to continue to claim single person discount...
'I authorise the Council or its agents to make enquiries to corroborate this claim. I will permit the Council or its agents to inspect the property on request...
'If you do not do so, we will have to cancel your discount and send you a revised bill for the increased amount.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1044073/Town-hall-snoopers-want-bedroom-access-check-tax-discount-pensioners-living-own.html
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| Posted: 13:40 - 13 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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I would imagine they'd have problems in court if a person refused to sign the form and the discount was withdrawn. Sounds like a scare tactic to me.
However, if they did gain access to a bedroom they'd need to riffle through drawers and warddrobes, a double bed wouldn't be enough proof...
Daily mail reporting... Never read to much in to their stuff...
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| Posted: 14:29 - 13 Aug 2008 Post subject: |
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Yeah...
And its a fair point to make, or is the Daily Mail not a big wooden spoon doing its best to stir up discontent in name name of better circulation?
Daily Mail Headline:
Town hall snoopers want bedroom access to check tax discount pensioners are living alone.
Metro Headline (and everyone else)
Council spies in the bedroom rapped.
Was my point. (Amongst others)
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| Jon B wrote: | As a counter argument though, you have to agree if it stops benefit cheats claiming 25% off their bill (which remember is subsidised by you and I) it has to be worth it, even if the initial intrusion is wrong. |
How about the council tax is criminal extortion and shouldn't have to be paid at all in the first place? How many times does your income have to be taxed before you say "hang on, I've already paid tax on these earnings"?
Income tax, that should be it. One tax, period, to pay for those services that are essential.
£32 billion road-tax, and how much of that is spent on the roads? £8 billion. Gasoline tax, how much of that is spent on transport? Zero.
Fraud upon fraud upon fraud. Council-tax, FRAUD.
Stop allowing these fuckers to pull the wool over your eyes. They get you to thinking the extortion itself is legitimate, then anything they do off the back of it becomes legitimate too. Examine the roots, not the fucking branches.
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No it doesn't. I'm not a benefit cheat but I value my privacy a lot more than a bit of tax money that's going missing somewhere. I'm not suffering for someone else's fuck up.
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| Jon B wrote: | As a counter argument though, you have to agree if it stops benefit cheats claiming 25% off their bill (which remember is subsidised by you and I) it has to be worth it, even if the initial intrusion is wrong. |
I totally understand the want to expose benefit cheats. But let's look at this another way.
In Wales alone, the 60 members of the Welsh Assembly spent over £400,000 this year on expenses - including £2000 on a sofa and £1000 on a surround sound system.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7555907.stm
I'm sure I don't need to remind you of the recent scandals with MP's expenses spending. I assure you, these are only what comes to the surface - the tip of the iceberg.
The UK loses billions of £'s a year thanks to companies evading tax. I don't have any links or sources relating to the UK to hand right now, but allow me to link this recent story in the US: 2/3 of US companies pay no federal income taxes. I have no doubt in my mind that the numbers in the UK would be very similar.
https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax
So, if we are looking at this from a purely financial viewpoint, surely it would be infinitely more cost effective to chase after these MP's who are stealing from the taxpayer, or maybe to chase the billions that are lost to tax evading companies?
No. Instead, they start this scheme to get people's houses inspected to ensure that they're not lying about what is relatively pennies. This has absolutely nothing to do with stopping council tax evaders and everything to do with setting the stage for this sort of thing to become the norm in the future.
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I did read somewhere that if you had a form like that described, crossed out what you didn't agree with, initialled that and signed and it was accepted without question then it was valid and legal.
Therefore anyone trying to act on the bits crossed out would be in the wrong.
Now that may be an urban myth and I'm willing to stand (or rather sit hunched over the keyboard) corrected.
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I'd agree with Cold's last point about Assembly members, its a bit fucking rich councils wanting access to peoples warddrobes and underwear drawers when councillors claim thousands in expenses.
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| Quote: | Personally though, I think we need all the discontent we can get right now. Although, we all know that if people get pissed off with this government, the result will be a Tory government. What an improvement that will be
And then people will get pissed off with them, and we'll vote the next smiling bunch of egotistical psychopaths in to cement themselves and their ilk into power. And then we'll moan some more whilst they milk us all. Western governments are just an engine to drive wealth upwards, and war is the most efficient means of doing so. |
You can vote the government in, out, up or down, it'll make no difference to this as it's a local council issue. If you don't agree with it, vote in the council elections and go for who ever is independant.
I can never understand why we have to be mired with the three parties we've got, lets face it, they're all pretty shitty. I definitely agree with you there.
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