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 Posted: 10:52 - 13 Aug 2008  Post subject: SO f!!!ing stupid none of you will not belive it.. |
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Until you have no choice because its infont of you..of course
Laws Designed to make Nutritious Food Illegal - Strange but True:
The Codex Alimentarius (’pardon’ I hear you say) laws are due to go into global effect on December 31st 2009. They are essentially trade regulations but in order to continue to trade, countries will integrate them into their own legal system.
It might be suggested that the use of Latin to name this new phenomena might put people off the scent a little… I would suggest no such thing. Anyway, for anyone whose Latin is a little rusty (I think it’s what’s known as a ‘dead’ language which is very apt on this occasion), it’s a food code. And it seems to have an agenda rather opposite to what we would advocate for a healthy happy populace.
Basically it will mean that:
Dietary supplements c(e.g. vitamins and minerlals) cannot be sold for preventive or therapeutic use. Potencies would be limited to extremely low dosages - they would not allowed to be sold at dosages that could cause a benefit.
Only Big Pharma (the big pharmaceutical companies) would have the right to produce and sell the higher potency products and dictate the price. Prescriptions would be required for anything above extremely low doses.
Common foods such as garlic and peppermint would be classified as drugs, or a third category (neither food nor drugs) that only Big Pharma could regulate and sell. Any food with any therapeutic effect can be considered a drug.
Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding with all escape clauses eliminated. All new dietary supplements would be banned unless they go through Codex testing and approval.
Nearly all food must be irradiated unless to be consumed locally to where it is grown and raw. (This might sound alright til you think how much of our food in the UK is currently imported).
Genetically altered food would be sold worldwide without labelling.
All dairy cows worldwide would have to be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone and all animals produced for food, whether with ‘feet, fins or feathers’, will have to be given antibiotics – even those from organic producers.
Seven out of nine cancer-causing organic chemicals known as ‘Pops’, or Persistent Organic Pollutants, which are banned in 176 countries, will be allowed again by Codex Alimentarius because it overrides all national laws.
It is estimated by official studies that billions of people will die from starvation and preventable disease as a consequence of the Codex laws.
John Hammell, founder of International Advocates for Health Freedom, said this of the consequences:
‘If Codex Alimentarius has its way, then herbs, vitamins, minerals, homeopathic remedies, amino acids and other natural remedies you have taken for granted most of your life will be gone. The name of the game for Codex Alimentarius is to shift all remedies into the prescription category so they can be controlled exclusively by the medical monopoly and its bosses, the major pharmaceutical firms
https://www.rawcuisine.co.uk/whats-happening-to-food/codex-alimentarius/
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Global effect? Seems quite far fetched that ANY idea could be enforced globally by 2009. Take the example of the UK not adopting the Euro, America not adopting the metric system, and Ireland recently shooting down the Lisbon treaty.
Especially in relation to making vitamins a controlled substance. Rose hips illegal due to Vit-C content? Breast milk illegal due to its antibody content and thus theraputic effects? I think not.
And also where is all this money going to come from? Antibiotics for all food livestock? I think the benefits are defiantly outweighed by the costs both financially and health-orientated.
Also the woman looks like a hippy 
:Edit: Just seen what other posts you've been starting, and I believe I may have just fed a troll lol.
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| SavageKymco wrote: | Global effect? Seems quite far fetched that ANY idea could be enforced globally by 2009. Take the example of the UK not adopting the Euro, America not adopting the metric system, and Ireland recently shooting down the Lisbon treaty.
Especially in relation to making vitamins a controlled substance. Rose hips illegal due to Vit-C content? Breast milk illegal due to its antibody content and thus theraputic effects? I think not.
And also where is all this money going to come from? Antibiotics for all food livestock? I think the benefits are defiantly outweighed by the costs both financially and health-orientated. |
As I said in the other thread, these scum don't expect an overnight transition. They're happy to set it in motion though and see the creep-effect begin to benefit themselves, but more benefit their ofspring and their ofsprings' ofspring. Etc.
This is about power and control, where the few gain all the power and control at the expense of the many.
Get it into your fucking heads that the entire gig is all about nothing more than the few wanting the bestest and the mostest of everything. The world as their private playground, where they get unlimited access to the resources, space, toys and services. It's about PLEASURE, and they want a surfeit of it, even though it means the majority get a deficit of it.
They don't have total control, and that makes it difficult for them to achieve, perfectly, their ultimate ends. So it's an ongoing process, where they do what they can where they can, little by little, cranking everything down. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they achieve spectacular success. On average they creep it forward. It's a process. And over the long-term we, the people, are losing the battle. We won't see the worst of it, but our children, and our childrens' children, will.
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Do you want to maybe start trying to type in coherent sentences so I can start to take you seriously? I'm having a hard time trying to decipher what it is you actually mean in some cases.
| Quote: | Global effect? Seems quite far fetched that ANY idea could be enforced globally by 2009.
yea man your right!!! what was i thinking..i only just got off msn after speaking to the head of the WTO..he just thought of the idea and is writing it up today! |
? The text states that "laws are due to go into global effect on December 31st 2009" I was stating that this would be neigh on impossible to achieve.
| Quote: | Especially in relation to making vitamins a controlled substance. Rose hips illegal due to Vit-C content? Breast milk illegal due to its antibody content and thus theraputic effects? I think not
i cant imagine this happening there for it cant....what a small undeveloped world we would find our selves in if the one cause of created was your imagination |
Can you honestly say you can realistically see a society where a mother cannot feed her baby without having to pay a levy on her breast milk?
| Quote: | And also where is all this money going to come from? Antibiotics for all food livestock? I think the benefits are defiantly outweighed by the costs both financially and health-orientated.
it does not matter "where all the money is going to come from" but as usual the answer is us..the price of the product will rise to compensate..ask your self instead..where will all the money GO.. |
The money has to come from somewhere, and if you think taxing the consumer will pay for the research, administration, distributor and legal cost etc then you have no idea how much it would actually cost.
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Arrested for selling vitamin C ???
8 Apr, 2007 · Email This Post Email This Post · health, Fitness ·
Yes, it’s true…
A woman was arrested a few years back for selling Vitamin C in Europe.
I know, it sounds absurd, but that’s because the EU follows Codex guide- lines which make it illegal to sell Vitamin C over a certain dosage.
https://www.atozfitness.com/sarahsblog/arrested-for-selling-vitamin-c/ |
I can't comment on this as your link doesn't work.
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(Do you want to maybe start trying to type in coherent sentences so I can start to take you seriously? I'm having a hard time trying to decipher what it is you actually mean in some cases. )
unlucky.
(? The text states that "laws are due to go into global effect on December 31st 2009" I was stating that this would be neigh on impossible to achieve.)
research it.
(Can you honestly say you can realistically see a society where a mother cannot feed her baby without having to pay a levy on her breast milk? )
sadly.. yea they will get away with as much as they possibly can.
(The money has to come from somewhere, and if you think taxing the consumer will pay for the research, administration, distributor and legal cost etc then you have no idea how much it would actually cost.)
ok  you seem to know an awful lot about the situation as a hole.. i will take your word for it.
(I can't comment on this as your link doesn't work.)
google it you dull fook peace |
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I hesitate to comment...
@Savage
Mad's replies aren't particularly coherent but he never lets that stand in the way of what ever hysterical point he's trying to make.
Here is another page from the same website, I think the two should be taken in context.
https://www.rawcuisine.co.uk/about-holly-2/
...I had my second child, Jasmine. I trained as a breastfeeding counsellor with La Leche League. At this time I also became interested in and studied astrology...
...I did a shamanic course and a diploma in hypnotherapy. I met the father of my youngest two children, Bertie and Lizzy, and began to understand the connection between consciousness and nutrition...
...I became increasingly interested in esoteric subjects and began to spend a lot of time meditating in nature...
She seems emminently qualified to talk about such things and would love to sell you some... Wait for it... Supplements and health foods!!
Codex Alimentarius produce guidelines for food standards and have been at it since 1963. Having a latin name doesn't automatically mean its some sinister plot.
Ironically, if there is a conspiracy here, it being highlighted by a new age hippy and a semi-coherent on a motorcycle chat forum is really going to bring the conspirators to their knees...
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there are just two kinds of people in this world..there are those who lead and those who follow.the society's we live in and all of mans developments have come directly from the minds and actions of those who lead..those who lead are very different in nature than those who simply follow..they envision the future,imagine the unimaginable and create it in the world around them.
those who follow..are of course a must to keep the creations of those who lead running smoothly. they need to be told exactly what to do..they cant think outside the context of there own reality and are for ever doomed to experience a life dictated by the limitations of there paradigms,they fit in perfectly,,they go to school to learn,they get a job learn how to do it and thats them for life.. if they cant see how something can be done or why something would be done its quickly shot down,a reason created and thats the end of that.
a wise person upon hearing something they haven't yet come across would research the matter,forming there personal view after looking at the issue from many angles..(yes looking at the issue..thats the issue right?not the messanger) a blind follower simply needs to look at one sourec (you put your e and your c in the wrong order there m8..can take you seriously at all now)
finding what he thinks is something incorrect..before placing the issue into his ever so short memory.
its a shame the leaders aren't always holding positive intentions..but what ever his intentions..in a world with this many followers mindlessly trapped in there own reality to see any different..well they have an easy fucking job |
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| mad_man wrote: | there are just two kinds of people in this world..there are those who lead and those who follow.the society's we live in and all of mans developments have come directly from the minds and actions of those who lead..those who lead are very different in nature than those who simply follow..they envision the future,imagine the unimaginable and create it in the world around them.
those who follow..are of course a must to keep the creations of those who lead running smoothly. they need to be told exactly what to do..they cant think outside the context of there own reality and are for ever doomed to experience a life dictated by the limitations of there paradigms,they fit in perfectly,,they go to school to learn,they get a job learn how to do it and thats them for life.. if they cant see how something can be done or why something would be done its quickly shot down,a reason created and thats the end of that.
a wise person upon hearing something they haven't yet come across would research the matter,forming there personal view after looking at the issue from many angles..(yes looking at the issue..thats the issue right?not the messanger) a blind follower simply needs to look at one sourec (you put your e and your c in the wrong order there m8..can take you seriously at all now)
finding what he thinks is something incorrect..before placing the issue into his ever so short memory.
its a shame the leaders aren't always holding positive intentions..but what ever his intentions..in a world with this many followers mindlessly trapped in there own reality to see any different..well they have an easy fucking job |
Nicely said.
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There should be regulation over complimentary suppliments.
Some work. Many do not do what they claim to do (and Hetzer is usually amongst the first to go ape-shit if he finds he has bought something that is not as described).
Some are actively bad for you in the doses they are supplied. Read up on hypervitaminosis A from excessive cod liver oil intake.
So yes, regulation is a good thing. Companies (usually large multinationals) ought to be prevented from marketing products that either a) Don't do what they claim to do or b) Are actively bad for you.
It's a multi-billion pound industry and much of it is little more than selling snake oil to the credulous.
I'll give you an example from my profession. I get people in on a weekly basis with dogs and cats crawling in fleas. They get most irate when I tell them the herbal flea drops they paid £20 for from the pet shop do exaclty fuck all if your animal has fleas. I then demonstrate this by combing several very much alive and kicking fleas out of its coat.
So, should these companies still be allowed to peddle this sort of crap to the general public? Or should there be some form of regulation meaning they have to demonstrate their product works before marketing it?
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| stinkwheel wrote: | There should be regulation over complimentary suppliments.
Some work. Many do not do what they claim to do (and Hetzer is usually amongst the first to go ape-shit if he finds he has bought something that is not as described).
Some are actively bad for you in the doses they are supplied. Read up on hypervitaminosis A from excessive cod liver oil intake.
So yes, regulation is a good thing. Companies (usually large multinationals) ought to be prevented from marketing products that either a) Don't do what they claim to do or b) Are actively bad for you.
It's a multi-billion pound industry and much of it is little more than selling snake oil to the credulous.
I'll give you an example from my profession. I get people in on a weekly basis with dogs and cats crawling in fleas. They get most irate when I tell them the herbal flea drops they paid £20 for from the pet shop do exaclty fuck all if your animal has fleas. I then demonstrate this by combing several very much alive and kicking fleas out of its coat.
So, should these companies still be allowed to peddle this sort of crap to the general public? Or should there be some form of regulation meaning they have to demonstrate their product works before marketing it? |
The very simple solution to that problem isn't to do the usual nazi BS and ban it, it's to prosecute those who do it and give them 10-year mandatory sentences, without parole. At hard labour.
But banning stuff gets votes.
And considering the FUCKING POISON that's in our regular food anyway, and these cvnts want to get all concerned over supplements and snake-oil? There are girls as young as seven getting their periods because of the hormones in supermarket meat. But that's ok, that's the big boys making the dollar out of it. But Mr Little making a few quid selling cod-liver pills? Ooh no, we can't have that! You're not at the big table matey!
It's got fuck-all to do with concern, it's all about power and control. Keep 'em just fit enough to work, but not fit enough to resist, and die when they're too old to work anymore, that's just the ticket. Conspiracy clap-trap? If you can think of it, however outlandish it might sound, you can guaran-fucking-tee it's been on the table at one of the Bilderberg meetings.
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| mad_man wrote: | there are just two kinds of people in this world..there are those who lead and those who follow.the society's we live in and all of mans developments have come directly from the minds and actions of those who lead..those who lead are very different in nature than those who simply follow..they envision the future,imagine the unimaginable and create it in the world around them.
those who follow..are of course a must to keep the creations of those who lead running smoothly. they need to be told exactly what to do..they cant think outside the context of there own reality and are for ever doomed to experience a life dictated by the limitations of there paradigms,they fit in perfectly,,they go to school to learn,they get a job learn how to do it and thats them for life.. if they cant see how something can be done or why something would be done its quickly shot down,a reason created and thats the end of that.
a wise person upon hearing something they haven't yet come across would research the matter,forming there personal view after looking at the issue from many angles..(yes looking at the issue..thats the issue right?not the messanger) a blind follower simply needs to look at one sourec (you put your e and your c in the wrong order there m8..can take you seriously at all now)
finding what he thinks is something incorrect..before placing the issue into his ever so short memory.
its a shame the leaders aren't always holding positive intentions..but what ever his intentions..in a world with this many followers mindlessly trapped in there own reality to see any different..well they have an easy fucking job |
Yeah yeah...
I've read that before, where did you copy and paste it from then?
I take it this is the mantra you live your life by, why then:
| Quote: | a wise person upon hearing something they haven't yet come across would research the matter,forming there personal view after looking at the issue from many angles. |
That would be the new age bint at the top of the thread then?
And the messenger is important, especially if you want to be taken seriously by the people who you wish to give the benefit if your sagacity or lack there-of.
What annoys me most about this crap is the fact that broadly I agree with what you're saying, there are all sorts of things going on behind our backs that need highlighted, but it needs done in a fucking sensible way, not with the indecipherable ramblings and hysterical outbursts of a poorly educated oaf.
You do more harm than good for your cause.
I'd eat it up if I could identify what it was you're serving.
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my cause?lol:
you agree with what i am saying but don't like the way im saying it?
you wont listen to a "new age bint" because blah blah blah
yea i suppose the messenger is very important to you.. because you are a follower and all of your life you have looked up to people waiting to be told what to do.. you are on the same level as a trained dog who only answers to its owner... yes thats right i need to be "educated" before i can have my say..
and yes lets do this in a sensible way shall we.. would that be posting up the information on a forum so people can research it and find out if theres any truth?
"fuck that shes a hippy look at her.. and he cant write properly fuck him to" yea..so sensible.. i don't know what to say to you man..really...bye |
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Yeah, the above is clearly the output of a ranting idiot. 
It's cogent, concise and straight to the point, in a style I easily understand and quite admire.
I never fail to be amazed at the spite directed towards people who do nothing more than try to inform others of wicked shit being done behind their backs. Before the internet very little was exposed to the masses. Now we have it and the cockroaches have been revealed from under their rocks to the light of day...and what do the stone-lifters get from those they try to aid?
I truly have a hard time getting my head around it. It's like normal sane people suddenly lose a screw. It's almost as if they are thrown into some form of temporary mental instability because they are confronted with the horrible truth. Is it fear? The horribleness terrifies them to the point they just want to bury their heads under the pillow and curse the person who made them aware of the reality of what's going on?
You really are a bunch of sad shabby tossers, with your tin-foil-hat cowardice and despicable back-stabbing intolerance of anything that threatens your cosy ignorance. Your children will sure be proud of you for the vile world you bequeath to them through not only your own craven inaction but your truly indefensible attacks on those who try to take a stand against the filth who are intent on enslaving anyone not of their own tiny minority class.
Mad Man, keep it coming. Don't EVER let these spineless wankers put you off.
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You're naive and set to fail because you don't get it. How do you think Blair, Brown & Bush have gotten to where they are. Its presentation nipplehead! You sit at home typing (or copying and pasting shite into a window) and think you're some sort of crusader, a leader amongst humans? No you're not, you're an idiot who detracts from the credibility of the cause you say you support.
In short, if you fancy yourself as some sort of crusader, back it up with solid fact, take some time to check it out, have some empirical evidence andbe able to present it in a coherant way... Otherwise, hush your mouth, you do more harm than good. You're like Hetz, but with out the entertainment value.
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Yeah, the above is clearly the output of a ranting idiot.
It's cogent, concise and straight to the point, in a style I easily understand and quite admire.
I never fail to be amazed at the spite directed towards people who do nothing more than try to inform others of wicked shit being done behind their backs. Before the internet very little was exposed to the masses. Now we have it and the cockroaches have been revealed from under their rocks to the light of day...and what do the stone-lifters get from those they try to aid?
I truly have a hard time getting my head around it. It's like normal sane people suddenly lose a screw. It's almost as if they are thrown into some form of temporary mental instability because they are confronted with the horrible truth. Is it fear? The horribleness terrifies them to the point they just want to bury their heads under the pillow and curse the person who made them aware of the reality of what's going on?
You really are a bunch of sad shabby tossers, with your tin-foil-hat cowardice and despicable back-stabbing intolerance of anything that threatens your cosy ignorance. Your children will sure be proud of you for the vile world you bequeath to them through not only your own craven inaction but your truly indefensible attacks on those who try to take a stand against the filth who are intent on enslaving anyone not of their own tiny minority class.
Mad Man, keep it coming. Don't EVER let these spineless wankers put you off. |
Hetz!
I'm disappointed. Have you not read that before online? He copied it. Look at previous posts, do you think he could type something so coherant? He added the bits in ().
If I had to explain this, you wouldn't understand... I thought you'd get this shit...
If we are to make progress, we need to use the same tools as they do. Spin, PR and slick presentation.
Seriously. It bothers me. How can the 'alternative' be taken seriously when they can't even string a fucking sentence together?
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You're naive and set to fail because you don't get it. How do you think Blair, Brown & Bush have gotten to where they are. Its presentation nipplehead!)
stopped reading right there!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM
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Which only adds credence to my point.
How could someone so fucking stupid be the most powerful man in the world?
Spin, PR and slick presentation.
It could also be argued, his verbal skills are on a level with your written skills...
So shoosh your mouth, people with more sense might be able to make progress without Bush and the neocons accusing us of being stupid on your behalf!
Get it yet?
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Hetz!
I'm disappointed. Have you not read that before online? He copied it. Look at previous posts, do you think he could type something so coherant? He added the bits in ().
If I had to explain this, you wouldn't understand... I thought you'd get this shit...
If we are to make progress, we need to use the same tools as they do. Spin, PR and slick presentation.
Seriously. It bothers me. How can the 'alternative' be taken seriously when they can't even string a fucking sentence together?
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What does it matter if he cut & pasted it? Did he claim it was his? And no, I didn't think it was necessarily his, nor did I care. It was well said, whoever said it, and worth giving to others here who might not have seen it before themselves. It all counts, it all builds a culture of understanding by which the common person might be armed.
We need every voice available, no matter how rough around the edges. We need saturation. We need to assume that every allegation is true, unless disprovable 110%. We cannot afford to be generous or fair with these scum. Even if they are innocent of some accusation you can be sure they've thought of it or tried it. Only by being so virulent can we hope to have any chance of keeping them out from under their rocks. When they offer up their mealy-mouthed proofs of innocence we need to scream in their faces "Liar! Liar!! LIAR!!!"
Are you really so unable to understand where all this is going? Don't you see what is happening? The things they DON'T hide are ample proof in abundance of what they intend, dressed up though it is in LIES.
We are surveilled, dictated to, banned, regulated, oppressed by petty kapos, bullied, threatened, robbed and rendered impotent. And conned into turning on each other. Divide and conquer has never been truer than it is today.
Ask yourself this simple question...who displays malice towards us, people like Mad Man or the people he warns us of? Eh? What are you getting on HIS case for? Does he have his hand in your pocket, taxing your hard-earned money multiple times, for bans and dictats in return? Did he put up all the cameras, enact all the nazi legislation that has turned us into children-serfs? There is more evil shit going on out there, with more being planned, than you could realistically encompass in a month of reading, yet you slate him for not presenting it in a particular style or level of articulateness? WTF?! Be glad people like him are prepared to make the fucking effort at all! Every single voice is needed. NOISE is what's needed, to deafen these fucks with it's sheer volume! To give them not an inch of ground, not a hint of quarter. Saturate the people with it, culture-flood as many people as possible with the reality of what's going down. Show the scum for what they are, reveal what they are doing. Too much blast with the shrapnel? GOOD! We're not getting even a FRACTION of what's actually being done. We have to work with snippets of the truth and extrapolate a lot from the little we get. What, we're supposed to play by some set of rules of fairness? It's a court-room is it? Because they're able to hide most of it, and distort and dis-imformation the rest we're supposed to hold our tongues, lest we wrong them? FUCK THEM! They're guilty as hell, and any mud we can throw is justified. Recognize these sub-human filth for what they are, the most evil and wicked of our species. And then fucking well tell it like it is, ANY WAY YOU CAN.
Then, maybe, our children won't have to subsist in a living nazi hell.
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