Calls for Creationism to be Taught in UK Science Lessons

[ColdInsomnia]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7612152.stm

[Dom]

Nail on the head. Logic is for Science class, lunacy is for RE.
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[panrider_uk]

"Rev Prof Reiss, a biologist and Church of England minister"

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Mark
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[Hetzer]

Creationism as a concept is fine, but bound as it currently is by religious dogma it's focus is far too narrow and suitable only for fvcktards.
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[ncrn]

RE is where creationism is taught and is where it should stay.

Science is for science and nothing more, creationism is not a science as there is no evidence, it is a story and therefore shouldn't be in science at all.
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[JonB]

Why not be given every side of the story?

I'm not religious, but to believe that the world started as a big bang may seem logical to me and many others, the fact it may have been started by a mythical being is no more stupid when neither have been proven.
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[ncrn]

Well theoretically the stuff the LHC could lead us to know more about what happened around the time of the big bang, so it could be proven.

And to be honest yeah both sides to the story is good, but religion shouldn't be a part of science, cause religion is based on belief, science is based on evidence. If you tried to prove a scientific theory on the basis that you found a really old book that said so people wouldn't believe you..
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[bazza]

If they're having creationism, then they'd damn well better be including Pastafarianism on the curriculum too.

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Bazza beat me to it:
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[Hetzer]

[igiyf]

cant master every level of physics with just access to a gcse level 2 basic physics book,in the bigger scheme of things thats all our minds are..but oo oo we can split an atom we can tell u whats inside it,but you could spend all the money on fixing the problems of the world and bringing it into balance..but we can smash two particles together at the speed of light do you know what this means!

teaching how it all started is a fucking insult as none of us have a clue all we can get is a small look within,teach kids how to quiet there minds find balance within and become untouchable as far as the ego and differing views are concerned then maybe john wont hit kev over the head with a shovel.

[colin1]

It makes sense for americans to learn creationism as if its science as most americans are religious nuts.

However in Britain we have a tradition of not being so nuts and most of us regard organised religion with a healthy suspicion.

Copying america may be fine for most things, but not bringing RE into the science class room and pretending its just as valid as real science.
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[Phoenix]

It's the word again, "calls". All I see is one fruitcake out of 60million making a stupid suggestion.

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[Skudd]

most people realise that religion was based on rules for social cohesion and were taught down through the ages via stories or dogma. it became religious by people trying to out do each other or due to politics. If you strip out all the faith stuff then you can see basic rules of hygiene, law and order, social decorum.
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[Jumile]

Picking up on the "Belief in Creationism" vs "Belief in the Big Bang" thing for a moment... that's really a non-sequitur, or just a plain misunderstanding of the scientific meaning of the word "theory". Creationism is dogma; the Big Bang is scientific theory. Semantics? I don't think so. Here's what proper scepticism, scientific approach and a bit of learning have taught me...

Looking at all the evidence it's clear that the ever-revised dogma of Creationism - particularly New World Creationism (the belief that earth is only 6,000 years old) as followed by fundies and some other thought-averse people - just doesn't cut it. The weight of evidence is clearly in favour of an extremely old universe, and evolution has actually been proven in a number of test cases. The most recent I'm aware of is Dr Richard Lenski's amazing E.coli Long-term Experimental Evolution Project (here's the New Scientist article about it and their subsequent handling of a disruptive anti-science activist), and other examples where the forced exile of lizards has resulted in rapid evolution here and here.

A contrary position to such things is comparable to other situations where minority groups refuse to accept the weight of evidence: 9/11 inside job, JFK still alive, faked moon landings, Flat Earth theory, etc. There will always be people who take a contrary position to the established/accepted one - it's a quirk of human nature, and of course is not always wrong (e.g. Galileo's debunking of the geocentric model of the universe).

However, the Big Bang is a scientific theory that essentially has nothing to do with evolution. It's true that one can exist because of the other (i.e. evolution can happen because the universe is old), but most people confuse correlation and causation (i.e. just because evolution happens, it doesn't mean the Big Bang has to be right; any more than standing in a garage makes you a car ). It's just the most probable explanation, based upon our current knowledge, understanding and theories. There are alternatives - just not very likely ones.

To place it in context, I heard recently that the Catholic Church has accepted evolution in the form of Old World Creationism (i.e. that a god created the universe and evolution as part of it), and the previous Pope had no problems the Big Bang - specifically everything after it - but advised against looking into it because "that's where God is". Not entirely sure whether he ascribed to Newton's Clockwork Universe Theory, or if he thought things are tweaked here and there.

So it doesn't have to be one or the other: if you're inclined to hold onto religious beliefs, then you don't necessarily have to reject reality to do so, providing you're sensible about it. At most you might need to suspend some disbelief, but that's fairly common for most religious people (I used to be one myself).

Wow, that became a much more in-depth and meaningful post than I'd intended. If you made it this far: thanks and sorry for the essay. What the hell am I doing writing meaningful posts on a biking forum, ffs?!

Now I'm wondering if this will attract flames or whistle harmlessly over peoples' heads...
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[Skudd]

Some rational thinking is always welcome and applauded.
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