What are the answers?

[igiyf]

don't really know how to put this post but..what are the solutions to the situations/unwanted rules and regulations we are currently facing.

if your a hardcore truth seeker who's aware that false flag operations are a fact,world domination and enslavement are goals..or your just pissed off about uneeded/wanted laws that have no backing by the general public being pushed forward if you like it or not..pay as you drive for instance..

some people see no issues..others but a few..and a few..see a lot.
i could list issue after issue im sure your own will come to mind..the EU for me is a huge issue..the power structure of this country being handed over..without even much of a debate..its as though a few 100 people are controlling the lives of millions..how does one change the paradigm of a government from one that thinks it can do as it wants..to one thats out to serve the nation in such a way that each year that goes by..life actually becomes easier and more pleasant to experience..

its so much more complex than "cut all taxes and shut the fuck up" im aware of this.. but what about choices such as going to war? why is it the fate of a nation comes down to just a few men... who here voted to send our body to iraq? how does the freedom of a country rot so such you cant even have your say in the middle of the street without a permit..or be arrested?

protesting will not change a thing "there at it again" "ew fuck em write some more legislation after lunch and send the riot squad in-oh and don't forget to get the media to knock out the image that there tin foil hat wearing lunatics"

over throwing a government will not work..it would result in utter chaos if successful and i doubt it would be unsuccessful..would just give the army something to do.

voting for "leaders" every few years and letting them get on with it does not work..if youv been watching the American convention lately with 1000"s of people screaming for obama..they actually think things are going to change for the better when its about to get worse over there than its Ever been..not to mention the usa government has been telling us to expect a big attack early on in the next presidents office term to "test" his strength

the control off a country and its effects on the world need to be in the hands of more..big issues Should be voted on by the hole country..because thats who the government is working for not the other way around..yea not every one would be happy with each out come.. it be a dam lot better than it is now ..how could we ever to get to this point?

[Itchy]

In your perfect system ie referenda it would probably be even worse, since people generally do not understand the issues they vote upon.

If you've noticed recently there are tons of pro ID card folks, pro draco style laws put in etc...

And people don't think it through properly.

The baby boomers are THE most guilty of this, they voted for small pension contributions AND took them back in the form of tax cuts, AND expect workers now to pay their impossible pensions.


This has effectively doomed everybody under 35 to working just to pay for their pensions , since the boomers form a massive voting block any moves to change this just won't happen...

The boomers effectively sewed the seeds of their own downfall..




Also people vote selfishly too , in that they do what is good for THEM not for the good of society.

Good for society would be a Hong Kong based flat rate tax system, which has higher personal allowances for children/dependents/education rather than state handouts.

This means that if you have a child you are NOT given X amount of money for that child , instead your personal allowance goes up a fair bit, although this involves an element of robbing peter to pay paul , paul still has to go out and work to benefit from the extra allowance.

A system would this would destroy the chav class overnight.




My own imperfect system is probably a well educated beneviolent dicatorship, in that such a government can take long term decisions and make long term decisions in the interest of society which are unpopular.....
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[Kris]

[Skudd]

If we had the answers would we know what to do with them? Would we be able to implement them? Who would then be the down trodden seeking the truth?
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[Tarmacsurfer]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Personally I have no issue with the basic idea of a united Europe. That is very different to being happy with the current structure of the EU.

Voting wise we have a seriously screwy voting system. Pretty much limits it to a couple of parties and forces an adversorial political system. That said a true PR system does result in tiny parties having massive amounts of say. Maybe to keep some geographical accountability have a PR election for each county.

While I do think we have loads of pointless unnecessary laws I do not see this as a conspiracy. I see it as largely a result of the voting system. You vote for a party with a load of policies many of which you will object to.

Another problem is politicians wanting to be seen be doing something, along with apathy about the minor fiddling that is all the is left for them to fiddle with. So you land up with 10% for the legislation and 9% against so things get passed, despite 80%+ not giving a damn. Hunting with dogs for example.

All the best

Keith
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[igiyf]

[igiyf]

[Phoenix]

What you mean like all the laws that start off as a small incident, then the bbc news report "there are calls to do this and that" then there's a suggestion of what might happen with regards to a new law, then it happens, no questions asked.

The next example I can see coming of this is the recent kid being shot in the head by an unattended air rifle and subsequently dying. Days later there were "calls" to restrict sale, useage etc of airguns and soon I imagine they're either going to put them onto firearms certificates or do something else ridiculous because ONE moron causes an accident that could've happened regardless of the new law being in place and this unknown, faceless, minority collection of people making these "calls" change the law.

Everyone who abides by the laws suffers, the only ones who don't are those that break them in the first place, making the creation of new laws a pointless way of controlling the lawless...obviously...

[pa_broon74]

It needs to get to a tipping point, a critical mass where doing nothing is going to be worse than doing something.

At the moment the government is busy trying to encourage people into mortgages they can ill afford while trying to prop up the housing market.

This is perhaps the biggest most underhand method of control they have after encouraging getting married and having kids with tax breaks.

Stable families might be good for society, but they're even better for control.

How much have you got to lose?


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[cestrian]

Hands-up! How many of us have burnt ourselves on a hot soldering iron, a cigarette lighter in a car or the heated food display cabinet in the chip shop. Perhaps you've touched something electrical and got a bad shock.

OK you can all put your hands down.

In the same vein, how many of you will continue to vote for New Labour, the Conservatives, the LibDems, Plaid/SNP, UKIP or not even vote at all?

We have screwed ourselves over.

[Skudd]

It would be an idea if there was a box that stated that none of the listed candidates/parties were worthy of our vote. then make voting, not compulsory, but an advantage. Then we would see how many votes are actually given to each party and who do the tactical votes and who do not have confidence in the parties at all.
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[cestrian]

[Skudd]

[cestrian]

[Skudd]

So in what way are you fighting the battle?
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[Ste]

[cestrian]

[Skudd]

So if the battle is over, has the war been won? if so isn't history written by the victors? and what does it feel like to be a looser?

No seriously, people talk about the battle the war, fighting for freedom, showing it to the man and all the other superlatives, but do they know what they mean or does anyone understand? Or is it that things aren't done in a way they want , but if they were some others would just be saying the same things about them, fighting the struggle, war, being oppressed, correcting grammar/ spelling etc etc etc.
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[pa_broon74]

I think in Britain, were too comfy now. There will always be a fringe but they'll be labelled terrorists so discounted by the comfortably numb majority, they won't care when they're habitually rounded up (on a mere suspicion) and beaten.

I reckon there'll be a number of Megacorporations running things within my lifetime, there'll still be a semblence of government and democracy, but it'll just be a refined more clever version of what we have now.

What am I doing? Nothing just now, my tipping threshhold hasn't been reached.

I've just been reading some of the stories on the site in Kris' sig. Specifically about the reporters arrested around the Rebuplican conference in Denver... Poor show indeed...


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[cestrian]

History is history, usually written and rewritten by the apparent victors.

For the record, I vote for my local independent.

[pa_broon74]

Being North of the border, we have a compromise in voting SNP. They're not too entrenched as a political party, but Scotland going independant is bound to rattle some cages...

Although, I suspect that much of their support is due to disgruntled labour/tory/lib voters and not necessarily because of their stellar proposals...

Thats who I'll vote for both up here and down there.


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[JonB]

I need to vote for someone who has passion for the country and for it's citizens. There is not one party representative that has this quality.

Perhaps I am being brainwashed with media garbage, but Barack Obama seems to ooze in not just confidence, but sincerity and passion for his own country. Being black doesn't even make me sympathise him. He is a brilliant orator and a fantastic motivational politician. If he lives up to his promise, the USA should be a much better place and maybe someone in the UK will follow suit.

Gordon (Boring) Brown just doesn't cut being a PM, at least Alastair Darling has a cog in his brain that actually works. It was about time someone at Labour stated we are in deep trouble.

I got made redundant yesterday, I have now given up with this country, bunch of wankers.
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[Itchy]

Jon your post sums up this phrase perfectly:

People don't mind being oppressed by others as long as the person doing the supressing has Charisma.

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Politicians are no more than Actors, Barrack is just another right wing lunatic who has good acting lessons, in time people will grow to hate him too.


Idealism and promises mean NOTHING , once they are in power they have no obligation to actually honour their promises.

Brown used the defence of no legitimate expectation on any thing contained in the manefesto,
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[cestrian]