Appealing against litter fine

warped one · Banned Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Karma :

Could you all please read this and tell me what you think of it and any ways that i could improve it. Or i'm having to pay 100quid

Cheers

Warped
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Dragonfly · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Karma :

Not sure what way they work but I guess it probably dosnt matter what your excuse it its down to who ever is fineing you and I am sure they have heard all the things under the sun and improving it dosnt make a difference. Depends on what mood their in.

Polo · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Karma :

Were you on a public right of way or on college property?
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Spell check and then proof read your letter!!! Offence, conversation, sign are the words you need. Wink

Not really sure you'll get very far with that letter, to me it just reads as a written confession that you did drop the cigarette butts. Is your complaint that you were given the tickets in the first place or that you were upset about the tone of voice she used when she told you there's no where on the form for you to sign? Confused

I presume you have set the letter out properly and that's just the main body text of the letter?

warped one · Banned Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Karma :

That maybe true, but surely the incident with the police could be checked up on and then that way, but a supose they are lazy money grabbing bastrads aren't they. God i hate the dump of a country.

Cheers

Warped
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Dragonfly · Super Spammer Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Karma :

can I just ask who caught you? do they have task forces on streets there that catch people?

ps Yes I heard of people in England being fined but its just a threat here no one actually gets caught as no one has the job to catch them.

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Harley Godzisz · Trackday Trickster Joined: 15 May 2004 Karma :

do they have photo or cctv proof? did you sign or touch anything of theirs? if not.. they can't do squat!

plead denial!

warped one · Banned Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Karma :

GhostRider · World Chat Champion Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Karma :

I;d start counting out that £100 now if you;ve already sent that letter off.

As already stated, the spelling and layout of the letter do you no favours, but I guess this isnt an engllish essay waiting to be marked.

You confess to dropping litter, and also state that you only went to retrieve it because you didnt realise the consequences, hence, you would have happily left it there otherwise. To be honest, if someone said to you "I only dropped litter because I was having a serious conversation", how would it sound to you?

True, arseholes all the same, but then I wouldnt have given them my details, and if need be ran away very qucikly. If they made any physical contact in an attempt to stop me, I would have nutted the tart and claimed self defence as "I thought she were trying to mug me your honour" Razz

Ok that might not work, but bottom line is I wouldnt have accepted any fine, given any details or anything.

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Mr Hammers · World Chat Champion Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Karma :

Instead of "My reason for the doing of this offense was.. " it might sound better as "The mitigating circumstances were.."

You have a few spelling errors; "convosation" should be "conversation"; "sigh" should be "sign".

Also, you might want to expand more on your regret on the 'offence' and how it's very unlike you (and mention that you often pick up litter from others too, that you're otherwise a very law-abidey person, that sort of thing..) and maybe reduce the bit about her tone, and make it sound less indignant and more surprised that she spoke to you in that manner. My thinking on that is that her tone doesn't have much to do with the offence as such, so it probably won't help your case much.

Sorry to hear you got nabbed for it in the first place, good luck wiht the appeal. But it's good to know that the police are busy pursuing smokers for leaving cigarette butts on the ground than doing anything useful like catching real criminals...eh... Rolling Eyes

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warped one · Banned Joined: 25 Dec 2007 Karma :

But surely as i stated in the letter (not sent out yet) i should have had to sign it. Because how do they know she isn't just making them up and people are just ben fine here there and everywhere by some jumped up nosey tart who thinks just because she wears a fvcking badge that she can talk to people like shit.

Cheers

Warped
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Mudskipper · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Karma :

chris-red · Have you considered a TDM? Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Karma :

I would have told them to fuck off if they came up to me. Wink

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divuk83 · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Karma :

Don't want to sound to harsh but I would just pay the hundred quid and put it down to experience. I don't think that letter will help anything (though correcting the spelling will improve it slightly) and they will just send you a generic "sorry you thought are staff were rude but you still have to pay" letter.

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Nufkamp · Traffic Copper Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Karma :

Surely you have to put the butt onto the ground and stamp it out, or do they expect you to put a burning fag-end in your pocket? As has been said previously the best course of action is to either give a false name, or just tell them to Foxtrot Oscar.
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Mudskipper · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Karma :

sanchezz_182 · Crazy Courier Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Karma :

This is how my conversation with her would have gone:

Her: You dropped that litter, Im going to fine you.
ME: Do you know who i am!
Her: No.
Me: Well fuck off!!
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divuk83 · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Nov 2003 Karma :

Could you not have given fake details? Like Peter Ness of 123 Fake street or something like that?

Dave

Phoenix · Twisted Firestarter Joined: 01 Aug 2002 Karma :

Why not pay the fine and stop throwing your cigarette ends on the ground?

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yambabe · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Well if you attempt to stub out into a full ashtray and your butt falls out (fnar) they can't reasonably fine you for just tossing the thing away can they? Wink

I have some sympathy for the amount of money involved but no sympathy at all for the OP for actually getting fined, there are too many people think they can just chuck their crap (including but not limited to fag butts) anywhere they fancy. Evil or Very Mad

Nice to see someone somewhere is doing something about it.........
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Phoenix · Twisted Firestarter Joined: 01 Aug 2002 Karma :

In the bin, like all rubbish. Stub it out wait til it's not smouldering hot so you don't cause a bin fire and then chuck it. And to be honest there's cigarette bins everywhere, even most bins have them built in, really is no excuse that you can't find one. And even if there's not one outside there is usually one inside the building.