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PostPosted: 17:21 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: tinted visors in the evening/night Reply with quote

has anyone actuarly been pulled for using tinted visors at night etc.

always been to much of a pain to take a clear one out with me to change it over for the ride home. so i never bother.

but im guessing theres some ridiculous story of someone getting done for it.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: tinted visors in the evening/night Reply with quote

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has anyone actuarly been pulled for using tinted visors at night etc.

always been to much of a pain to take a clear one out with me to change it over for the ride home. so i never bother.

but im guessing theres some ridiculous story of someone getting done for it.


Assuming you are referring to a legal tint visor, you cannot get done for an offence that does not exist.

Black non legal visor, somewhat different as you could get done for that even in daytime.

It is not advisable to wear a black or even a legal tinted visor, and if you had a crash because of your tinted visor, it may affect the level of compensation you get on the grounds of contributory negligence if it can be proven that your vision was impaired and directly contributed to the cause of the crash (assuming a third party was involved), but otherwise, no offence, no case to answer to.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

black tinted visors are only legal in the daytime. says so on the visor.
I have been pulled about 6 times for mine, police just say... go home and dont do it again.

dont say "i was riding with it up though" if its on the helmet... its illegal.
if you get pulled... just say "sorry officer i got held up at work (or whatever) and I didnt bring my clear visor".
"i'm sorry, it won't happen again".

They cant be bothered to do the paperwork for a stupid offence, so as long as your nice and understanding they will let you go.

hope this helps. Thumbs Up Carl.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, so the chances are you arent gonna get a ticket for it?

dunno what T.C is on about, the visor says "daytime use only" so its obviously legal. if it wasnt, surely it would say not for road use?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah i highly doubt you will get a ticket, unless you get the same cop everytime and he gets fed up with your excuses, or you act like a twat when he pulls you over...

just be curtious and understanding, and apologise. no problems...

I think he means legal tinted visors like the yellow ones you can get for foggy/rainy conditions..
they are legal in day and night.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black visors are illegal in daylight, just they over look it.

I think it comes under the same rules as a car having a tinted front windscreen... ie. not legal

They put daylight use only as i think in some countries it is legal during daylight.


To sum it up if you have a black visor on and are riding like a cock or fail the attitude test, if they cant pin anything else on you you will get done for, small plate / black visor / loud exhaust etc etc
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
ok, so the chances are you arent gonna get a ticket for it?

dunno what T.C is on about, the visor says "daytime use only" so its obviously legal. if it wasnt, surely it would say not for road use?


They use a standard mould for both black and clear visors, and if you look at your clear visor it will probably say "For daytime use only".

As I said, a legal tinted visor can be worn anytime, day or night, it just isn't advisable Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Black visors are illegal in daylight, just they over look it.


I'm afraid thats wrong sir.. otherwise it would be illegal to sell them. Smile

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a legal tinted visor can be worn anytime, day or night, it just isn't advisable


I'm afraid theres no such thing as a legal tinted visor at night sir, every tinted visor at night is illegal. unless its one of them shitty yellow ones.

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They use a standard mould for both black and clear visors, and if you look at your clear visor it will probably say "For daytime use only".


I'm afraid this is untrue sir, AGV use different moulds. You cant put "for daytime use only" on a clear visor. That would just be stupid. Plus then technically (in the eyes of the law) it would deem the clear visor illegal at night Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i know what you mean. i was just saying, if they were illegal in all conditions, police would be doing people for it left right and centre.
because of course they cant find all the thiefs and frauds out there so they take it out on bikes.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlperkins001 wrote:

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a legal tinted visor can be worn anytime, day or night, it just isn't advisable


I'm afraid theres no such thing as a legal tinted visor at night sir, every tinted visor at night is illegal. unless its one of them shitty yellow ones.

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They use a standard mould for both black and clear visors, and if you look at your clear visor it will probably say "For daytime use only".


I'm afraid this is untrue sir, AGV use different moulds. You cant put "for daytime use only" on a clear visor. That would just be stupid. Plus then technically (in the eyes of the law) it would deem the clear visor illegal at night Laughing


If T.C says it's so, then it's so. Listen to this guy's advice.

I've ridden with tinted visors at night in driving sleet, and believe me it is not an experience that I wish to repeat. I'm not the type of person that makes sure everything on my bike and/or person is legal (far from it), but tinted visors at night are a PITA, especially when the weather turns. It's not much of a hassle to take a clear visor with you is it?
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get legal tinted visors, they are not as dark as the illegal good ones though cos they obviously let more sunlight through.

And the law states (i cant be arsed looking for it) that you cannot ride with a tinted visor of any type when the street lamps come on as it is then classed as night time.

Me and my mate were racing against the sun on friday, trying to get back from north wales before the lights come on.

i had the vision of that scene from "Bram Stokers Dracula" when they were racing to get to the castle before sunset with them horses and that carriage
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlperkins001 wrote:
I'm afraid thats wrong sir.. otherwise it would be illegal to sell them. Smile
It is, and Trading Standards have recently come down hard on anyone in the UK selling black illegal visors. Hence the Visor Shop is based in Eire or the isle of man somewhere

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I'm afraid theres no such thing as a legal tinted visor at night sir, every tinted visor at night is illegal. unless its one of them shitty yellow ones.
I appreciate the polite tone of your post but you are talking bollocks. You're telling us what the law *should* be, not what it is. TC is an ex motorcycle policeman and is currently a traffic accident investigator and general expert on such matters. It would be advisable to listen to him.

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I'm afraid this is untrue sir, AGV use different moulds. You cant put "for daytime use only" on a clear visor. That would just be stupid. Plus then technically (in the eyes of the law) it would deem the clear visor illegal at night Laughing


You're a bit dim aren't you? TC Is an expert on these things, and you clearly aren't. If there is one thing that irks me about internet forums it is people who claim to be an expert on a certain subject when in actual fact they are talking bollocks. I don't care how many times you write 'sir' in your post, what you have written is INCORRECT.

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Me and my mate were racing against the sun on friday, trying to get back from north wales before the lights come on.



Lmao, sort of defeats the object of not getting pulled? If a copper pulls us, it will be for RACING not TINTED VISOR take that establishment.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm afraid theres no such thing as a legal tinted visor at night sir, every tinted visor at night is illegal. unless its one of them shitty yellow ones.



Under what legislation? Act section and regulation?

If the visor is a BSI approved under BS4110 XA, YA or ZA which means it is a maximum 50% tint, there is nothing to prevent the rider wearing it at night other than stupidity.

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I'm afraid this is untrue sir, AGV use different moulds. You cant put "for daytime use only" on a clear visor. That would just be stupid. Plus then technically (in the eyes of the law) it would deem the clear visor illegal at night


Did they tell you that at the factory? I was there about 8 weeks ago and they were certainly using the same moulds, Shoei were using the same moulds for both clear and dark when I was last at the factory in Japan about 12 months ago as were Arai.

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Plus then technically (in the eyes of the law) it would deem the clear visor illegal at night


Legislation, act and section that states that they can't use the same moulds?

Of course they can use the same moulds, it is the BS accreditation that matters, and I have just looked at my AGV clear visor, and guess what? It says "Daytime use only, and it is marked BS4110 ZA! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 09 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride with this visor:

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/OllieePaul/IMG_0730.jpg

Even at night, if it's just a short ride ~5 miles or so I just leave that visor on and keep it up. I've not been nabbed for it yet. I think the police have better things to be looking for.

If it's a longer ride, generally swap to clear at night.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
I ride with this visor:

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/OllieePaul/IMG_0730.jpg

Even at night, if it's just a short ride ~5 miles or so I just leave that visor on and keep it up. I've not been nabbed for it yet. I think the police have better things to be looking for.

If it's a longer ride, generally swap to clear at night.


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PostPosted: 00:53 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
I ride with this visor:

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w182/OllieePaul/IMG_0730.jpg

Even at night, if it's just a short ride ~5 miles or so I just leave that visor on and keep it up. I've not been nabbed for it yet. I think the police have better things to be looking for.

If it's a longer ride, generally swap to clear at night.


Isn't that a karting sticker on the visor?

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PostPosted: 06:20 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl, try buying a tinted visor at HG or other reputable firm, you don't have a chance in hell of getting a non legal tint.

As for Police stopping you, have seen it many many times.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Carl, try buying a tinted visor at HG or other reputable firm, you don't have a chance in hell of getting a non legal tint.

I have one from Tinklers, its a legal tint, just only in the daytime.

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If the visor is a BSI approved under BS4110 XA, YA or ZA which means it is a maximum 50% tint, there is nothing to prevent the rider wearing it at night other than stupidity.

Really?? so if i get pulled again i can say.. under what legislation. and they will say, oh i'm sorry it is legal, i pulled you because i thought you were being stupid.
(the way thats written it looks like im being sarcastic, but im not. serious question.)

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You're a bit dim aren't you?

no need to start abusing people.. whats the point?
and i never claimed to be an expert..

I assumed that as i had been pulled over numerous times for having a tinted visor on at night. And everytime the cop said, if you do it again you will get a fine.
I naturally thought that unless it was an offence to wear a tinted visor at night.. then they wouldnt be able to slap a fine on me.

and a friend of mine got a £30 fine for a tinted visor at night, which he also bought from tinklers. so i assumed it was illegal.

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Under what legislation? Act section and regulation?

I was thinking that there probably is'nt a direct legislation for it, they will probably fine you saying that you were driving without due care and attention, because with a legal tint dark visor at night you cant see the road properly??
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're talking arse I'm afraid CarlPerkins as states by the people above.

If you look at the "day use only" visor you won't find an ECE approval number on it.

That's because it's not approved for road use in Europe.

Just for arguement's sake assuming you were correct, at what point in the eyes of law would it stop being day time? Sun set (bearing in mind in winter it's already bloody dark before the sun sets), or would be it a sliding time scale based on when the police thought it was safe throughout every day of the year?

It's impossible to enforce such a law if it did exist (which is doesn't) with regard to visors.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlperkins001 wrote:
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Black visors are illegal in daylight, just they over look it.


I'm afraid thats wrong sir.. otherwise it would be illegal to sell them. Smile


O, and on this point it wouldn't be illegal to sell them.

There's a place near me that sells black visors, however when you buy it you have to sign something saying you won't use it on the road. Their way of arse covering. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlperkins001 wrote:

I assumed that as i had been pulled over numerous times for having a tinted visor on at night. And everytime the cop said, if you do it again you will get a fine.
I naturally thought that unless it was an offence to wear a tinted visor at night.. then they wouldnt be able to slap a fine on me.

and a friend of mine got a £30 fine for a tinted visor at night, which he also bought from tinklers. so i assumed it was illegal.


Well, I rest my case. Anyone who wears a tinted visor at night is a pratt.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
carlperkins001 wrote:

I assumed that as i had been pulled over numerous times for having a tinted visor on at night. And everytime the cop said, if you do it again you will get a fine.
I naturally thought that unless it was an offence to wear a tinted visor at night.. then they wouldnt be able to slap a fine on me.

and a friend of mine got a £30 fine for a tinted visor at night, which he also bought from tinklers. so i assumed it was illegal.


Well, I rest my case. Anyone who wears a tinted visor at night is a pratt.


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PostPosted: 09:35 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Carl, try buying a tinted visor at HG or other reputable firm, you don't have a chance in hell of getting a non legal tint.

I have one from Tinklers, its a legal tint, just only in the daytime.


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PostPosted: 11:26 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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