Is this the return of the death penalty?

cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

Here is a link to the monthly newspaper produced by the group who exposed Common Purpose.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/octukcolumnwebcopy.pdf

See page 6

For those who can't open the link, in the Lisbon Treaty there is a footnote to a footnote which states that the death penalty is to be re-introduced in Europe for the crimes of rioting and civil upheaval, and during war.

panrider_uk · World Chat Champion Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Karma :

People pay for that? Blimey! Smile

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thx1138 · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Karma :

it's a .pdf file, they are evil, and crash my computer

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LeeR · World Chat Champion Joined: 12 Dec 2006 Karma :

Unfortunately the file appears to be corrupt so I can't pass an opinion this time, give us the gist of it Gordon. Thumbs Up

EDIT: Oh wait you did, d'oh Doh!

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ColdInsomnia · World Chat Champion Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Karma :

Pffft, what's this? Facism? In the 21st century? Don't be rediculous, we're all to smart too fall for that agai

sry g2g emmerdale is on lol
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Visitor Q · $25 whore Joined: 30 Apr 2004 Karma :

They had me up until I clocked this on page 8;

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Peter3hg · Trackday Trickster Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Karma :

It's a load of bollocks. Essentially the treaty bans any country from having the death penalty, apart from in the specified circumstances. To actually have the death penalty, the country would still have to introduce it with a law. As usual it's people without enough intelligence to wipe their own arse making something out of nothing.

ColdInsomnia · World Chat Champion Joined: 30 Jun 2006 Karma :

igiyf · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Jun 2008 Karma :

"theres no hard evidence to back it up" do not look into the future and do not look into the past,sod patterns of behavior and the way systems evolve,,just stand looking at the chicken egg and shout "its an egg!!!!!!!!!!!" when a chicken pops its head out you have all rights to be utterly shocked and confused..how could this be?

cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

Point us to the exact footnote and reference if you would be so kind.

EDIT - I now have the Lisbon Treaty saved on my computer, so it will be but a moment's work to go to the actual clause which is causing you so much distress.

Just find out for me please, I don't think I can face a fruitless search of 247 pages.

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

Well that was dull as shit, and very hard to follow. Writers of these international legal documents must have a really exciting job Neutral

(although what does it say about mine if I'd rather read a 272 page legal document than do it).

However, I couldn't see a clause in there which even indicated what has been said at the start of this document (though clearly I'm no international lawyer).

The media, of whatever leaning, is untrustworthy. I doubt that the writer of the article had actually seen the clause, nor his sources, nor their sauces.

It's just one big chinese whisper.

Run back to primary documents and it all just falls flat on its face.

cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

Damofo, it's not causing me "so much distress" so please excuse me if I can't be arsed reading it all again.
You said "clearly I'm no international lawyer", well me neither. I believe you would have to refer to, and cross-reference with other documents to find out the information you desire.
Personally, I have dealt with a few legal documents such as leases and affidavits and legalese is not easy to get ones head around.

ETA. I just found out, the original clause can appear in one document, the first footnote can appear in another document, and the second footnote (or the footnote to the footnote) can appear in another document. The problem is, the clause numbers/letters can change from one document to the next thereby making cross referencing a lengthy process.
Personally, if a couple of legal professors say there is a problem that we should be aware of, I am tempted to believe them over the lying scumbags running the whole shebang.

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

Someone's done a bit of research, here's the link... https://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=285

I'll check it out later.

PS There's no need to be so confrontational.

D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

See, that wasn't so hard now, was it?

I will also have a butchers in th morning.

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D O G · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Karma :

In response, the way I read those clauses is to prevent a charge relating to a contravention of the EU human rights legislation from people who are killed as a direct result 'front line' policing/dealing with a potentially violent situation.

Now, I'm sure we will differ on this, but that is not 'the death penalty'.

The clause rearding endorsing the death penalty in times of war or imminent threat of war, would, as has previously been said, require specific details of this laid down in the country's law, and I don't think that is the same as saying: