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PostPosted: 12:32 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Internet Censorship Reply with quote
Well, the Australians have been the first 'western' country to follow in China's path and implement a country-wide filter on the entire internet.

BUT it's not to stem the flow of information!!

In reality, as the news tells us, it's to protect children from the army of paedophiles on the internet who are constantly stalking your little angels. Also, it's so that the police can sit and watch all those islamic terrorists that discuss their next bombing campaign in internet chatrooms Rolling Eyes


Rest assured people, the rest of the world won't be far behind. Enjoy net neutrality whilst you can! You'll soon be paying extra to visit any websites that are outside of the 'rich-group', which will in turn cause the death of the free internet (since who's going to pay extra to visit a news website when they can access the BBC for free?)
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry if i have missed something quite big on the news but in exactly what way are they censoring the t'interweb?

Is it a case of constantly monitoring things or actually blocking out certain sites etc?
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Microsoft are also in the process of creating new software that will scan the whole web looking for key phrases blocking them..this will be controlled by the government..so bye bye to anything they don"t feel is "appropriate" for us to read.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
MattHirst wrote:
Sorry if i have missed something quite big on the news but in exactly what way are they censoring the t'interweb?

Is it a case of constantly monitoring things or actually blocking out certain sites etc?


It's not big on the news because it's not about Johnathon Ross or that pillock Brand.

As for your second point, it's a bit of both. I'm sure they'd love to monitor everything if it was feasable but most people know that it'd be virtually impossible to monitor all the internet's activity with and degree of accuracy. That said;

NoCleanFeed.com wrote:

What do we know?

# Filtering will be mandatory in all homes and schools across the country.1
# The clean feed will censor material that is "harmful and inappropriate" for children.2
# The filter will require a massive expansion of the ACMA's blacklist of prohibited content.3
# The Government wants to use dynamic filters of questionable accuracy that slow the internet down by an average of 30%.4
# The filtering will target legal as well as illegal material.5
# $44m has been budgeted for the implementation of this scheme so far.6
# The clean-feed for children will be opt-out, but a second filter will be mandatory for all Internet users.7

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PostPosted: 16:18 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is always a way round this kind of thing.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paedos and terrorists will just carry on using steganography, and piss themselves laughing at these attempts.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
The UK government has talked about it....

under the guise of "to maintain quality of media"


Guido of order-order.com has been threatened with this several times as he has embarrassed the government many times.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
You know even in the PRC they have 'relaxed their controls' since I was in Zhuai recently and could download at will the massacre in Tianamen square 1989...

utilising an open access point ........
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Agreed Stinkwheel, you're totally right (for now).

But the point is that we shouldn't have to work around it. Especially not when we're the stupid cunts paying for this censorship.


Infowars wrote:
Google routinely “excludes” information from Infowars.com, Prisonplanet.com, and fudges rankings, or removes entirely Alex Jones’ films from Google Video and the popular YouTube service, owned by the corporation. In addition to Google, MySpace, owned by Rupert Murdoch, is in the business of censoring political speech on its hugely popular social network. In May of 2007, for instance, a MySpace moderator “admitted that it is MySpace.com policy to censor and filter out posts containing links to the Prison Planet.com website, adding that the MySpace server automatically blocks such information,” according to Paul Joseph Watson.


Regardless of your opinion on the validity of PrisonPlanet or Infowars or any of those sorts of sites, surely there must be some reason they're being censored? The fact that it could be bullshit is irrelevant.

Newsflash: 75% of the internet is useless bullshit. Why concentrate on censoring certain political websites?
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
The internet is serious business.

Kids aren't serious business.

The internet isn't for kids.

Ban kids.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw this quote on another site, not sure if it's completely correct, but it made me laugh: Laughing

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"Safeguarding children is top priority for this Government and the child has been put at the heart of our reforms and we are determined to maintain a relentless focus on children’s safety." - Department for Children, Schools and Families

"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf"
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Companies like Myspace and Google are commercial entities - it's hardly surprising that they would attempt to limit access to information that they might consider not in their best interest.

Whether it's right or ethical is another matter entirely.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Companies like Myspace and Google are commercial entities - it's hardly surprising that they would attempt to limit access to information that they might consider not in their best interest.

Whether it's right or ethical is another matter entirely.



Why would said information not be in their interests?

And I think that whether it's right or ethical is the precise point of this thread.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Companies like Myspace and Google are commercial entities - it's hardly surprising that they would attempt to limit access to information that they might consider not in their best interest.

Whether it's right or ethical is another matter entirely.



so does the UK government, Gordon Brown is acting like Stalin attempting to erase things from history:

Credit to Fred Harrison

https://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/3788.htm

Where's 1997 Budget speech Gordon? Hmmmm?

Here's Fred's video:

https://uk.youtube.com/user/RenegadeEconomist

A few weeks ago the budget speech was on the website and now has mysteriously vanished......
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
ColdInsomnia wrote:

Why would said information not be in their interests?


Surely that's for them to judge - MySpace being their property and their responsibility? That their political or ethical views do not tally with yours does not automatically render them invalid - especially as they are well within their legal rights, as the service in question belongs to them!

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And I think that whether it's right or ethical is the precise point of this thread.


They're entitled to display anything they want on THEIR service. If you don't like what they choose to put up, you would logically take your custom elsewhere.

Criticise all you like, you're quite entitled to - but it won't change the fact that they are equally entitled to take a view on such matters, and as they own the products in question, their view counts.

I fail to see the issue - everyone skews facts/figures/news/opinions in their favour, whether they be an individual, a politician, an NGO worker or an Evil Corporation (tm). It's hardly news, is it?
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
ColdInsomnia wrote:
Agreed Stinkwheel, you're totally right (for now).

But the point is that we shouldn't have to work around it. Especially not when we're the stupid cunts paying for this censorship.


Infowars wrote:
Google routinely “excludes” information from Infowars.com, Prisonplanet.com, and fudges rankings, or removes entirely Alex Jones’ films from Google Video and the popular YouTube service, owned by the corporation. In addition to Google, MySpace, owned by Rupert Murdoch, is in the business of censoring political speech on its hugely popular social network. In May of 2007, for instance, a MySpace moderator “admitted that it is MySpace.com policy to censor and filter out posts containing links to the Prison Planet.com website, adding that the MySpace server automatically blocks such information,” according to Paul Joseph Watson.


Regardless of your opinion on the validity of PrisonPlanet or Infowars or any of those sorts of sites, surely there must be some reason they're being censored? The fact that it could be bullshit is irrelevant.

Newsflash: 75% of the internet is useless bullshit. Why concentrate on censoring certain political websites?


Ever consider the chance that the Infowars information could be bullshit?

They a have agendas too, you know, just like governments. It serves their purpose to say that they are being censored. It is a very biased source, it has very low reliability. Much like the government statistics on road deaths caused by speed, as discussed in another thread.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 30 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Internet Censorship Reply with quote
ColdInsomnia wrote:
Well, the Australians have been the first 'western' country to follow in China's path and implement a country-wide filter on the entire internet.

BUT it's not to stem the flow of information!!

In reality, as the news tells us, it's to protect children from the army of paedophiles on the internet who are constantly stalking your little angels. Also, it's so that the police can sit and watch all those islamic terrorists that discuss their next bombing campaign in internet chatrooms Rolling Eyes


I was reading about this in the paper yesterday - surprisingly it is not big news over here either. Apparently they were to have a clause which would allow people to opt out of the 'service', but that has been removed.

No one seems to be kicking up a storm tbh. The facts that they are to introduce it, and that the people aren't that bothered doesn't surprise me tbh. Australian society has loads of regulations and beuracracy (sp?), more than the UK IMO, and the majority of people seem to tow the line and be happy with the level of regulation.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 31 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Surely that's for them to judge - MySpace being their property and their responsibility? That their political or ethical views do not tally with yours does not automatically render them invalid - especially as they are well within their legal rights, as the service in question belongs to them!


I couldn't really give a crap about that chav-filled sausage fest or what they put on their service (or filter out). But when the internet as a whole is under threat of censorship, even if is to 'take out the trash', I must vehemently object. I was just raising a question in curiosity of why you (not personally) think the Murdoch owned company would have more issue with 'bullshit conspiracy theories' than the rest of the shite that infests that site.

I don't know where, how or why this thread deviated into a discussion about MySpace and how legal companies have the right to do what they want on their own servers. I never questioned their right to do it, just their motivation.

Maybe we could get back to the matter at hand of the impending death of net neutrality?



Damofo D.O.G wrote:
Ever consider the chance that the Infowars information could be bullshit?

They a have agendas too, you know, just like governments. It serves their purpose to say that they are being censored. It is a very biased source, it has very low reliability. Much like the government statistics on road deaths caused by speed, as discussed in another thread.


I agree that infowars is biased but no, I don't dismiss it as complete bullshit. I'd trust it a lot more than any main-stream news source since profit is clearly not a objective. Maybe craaazy nutcases just enjoy spreading mis-information across the internet in the hopes it will destable world governments and destroy humanity, just for the lulz. I don't know.

Frankly if it's bullshit I don't see any reason for it to be censored. Clearly if it's such bullshit then one could figure that out from actually visiting and reading the news on the site, instead of letting Mr Brown do it for you?
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 31 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
ColdInsomnia wrote:

Maybe we could get back to the matter at hand of the impending death of net neutrality?


If you don't want to discuss things, don't raise them in the first place.

Net neutrality is a myth - every part of it is owned by SOMEBODY, and each somebody has their own agenda.

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I agree that infowars is biased but no, I don't dismiss it as complete bullshit. I'd trust it a lot more than any main-stream news source since profit is clearly not a objective.


So as long as profit isn't the objective everything is peachy? What dross!

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Maybe craaazy nutcases just enjoy spreading mis-information across the internet in the hopes it will destable world governments and destroy humanity, just for the lulz. I don't know.


Maybe they're just retarded cretins who like to kid themselves that they are smarter than everyone else, and that they have stumbled across A Truth that has eluded the rest of the population?

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Frankly if it's bullshit I don't see any reason for it to be censored. Clearly if it's such bullshit then one could figure that out from actually visiting and reading the news on the site, instead of letting Mr Brown do it for you?


Is Mr Brown actually censoring it? A minute ago you were talking about not being able to find it on MySpace, and now Gordie is snipping my ADSL cable to keep me safe?
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 31 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Information maybe biased untrue or blatant lies or the truth....


The thing is right now we can view all of it biased, true, propaganda and decide which one to believe...

While in the future dark dystopian future you will be TOLD what to believe and you cannot look to see if these things are true or not...

Al la Hazel Blears 3 months ago said the UK economy in 1997 was in tatters, quick fact check says this is a lie.

Gordo said we have less debt than in 1996, also a lie...
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Maybe they're just retarded cretins who like to kid themselves that they are smarter than everyone else, and that they have stumbled across A Truth that has eluded the rest of the population?



or perhaps there right Laughing have you ever once stopped to consider you may be incorrect when it comes to some situations?
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 31 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
If you don't want to discuss things, don't raise them in the first place.


Ugh... I raised the issue of MySpace and Google censoring their own servers as a question of motivation, not legal right. Clearly this just got people confused and derailed the thread, so I made an attempt to salvage it.


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Net neutrality is a myth - every part of it is owned by SOMEBODY, and each somebody has their own agenda.


Net neutrality is very, very real. What it means is that every byte of information is created equal; meaning that if you were to visit the BBC's website or visit Uncle Sammies Crazy Conspiracy Theories website, your ISP will not give preferential treatment to either. And, assuming equal server load on both servers, you will recieve an equal service from both websites.

That is net neutrality, and that is what is under attack. Big corporations will pay ISP's to give their websites and their agenda's preferential treatment, prioritising their data and pushing third-party data underneath them. Soon we will all be offered a basic 'free' internet service, provided by the government, which will only give access to pre-determined websites that are within select circles. If you want access to websites out of these circles, you'll have to pay an extra fee. Which will undoubtedly kill the 'little guy' having any voice on the world wide web.

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ColdInsomnia wrote:

I agree that infowars is biased but no, I don't dismiss it as complete bullshit. I'd trust it a lot more than any main-stream news source since profit is clearly not a objective.


So as long as profit isn't the objective everything is peachy? What dross!


Why exaggerate? I said I don't dismiss it as complete bullshit, frankly I think only a fool would.


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Maybe they're just retarded cretins who like to kid themselves that they are smarter than everyone else, and that they have stumbled across A Truth that has eluded the rest of the population?


Perhaps, perhaps not. The majority have always proven to be wrong many times in the past, and given the unparalleled laziness and ignorance of most people in the political arena it's hardly surprising that such an agenda would slip them by. But it's alright, because it's bullshit, right? Very Happy

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ColdInsomnia wrote:

Frankly if it's bullshit I don't see any reason for it to be censored. Clearly if it's such bullshit then one could figure that out from actually visiting and reading the news on the site, instead of letting Mr Brown do it for you?


Is Mr Brown actually censoring it? A minute ago you were talking about not being able to find it on MySpace, and now Gordie is snipping my ADSL cable to keep me safe?


Mr Brown intends on censoring it. Just like every other western country. Not by snipping it, but by plugging it in where he wants it to go.
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Like all nutters, you take a few small nuggets of truth and use them as 'proof' for your wider-ranging theories.

I just can't be arsed to play along today - we'll see how I feel tomorrow, this flu is a killer.
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i guess your a nutter to then. Smile
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Mister James wrote:
Like all nutters, you take a few small nuggets of truth and use them as 'proof' for your wider-ranging theories



Well I don't know exactly what theories you think I am presenting, or what nuggets of truth I have apparently presented.

Nothing can go wrong in the land of milk and honey, eh?
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