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Ste
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Wanted: Old pc's with reasonable hard disk space Reply with quote

anyone know somewhere cheap to get old boxes with reasonable amounts of disk space in em?

I just need to be able to network them up cos this pc is full Sad
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Re: Wanted: Old pc's with reasonable hard disk space Reply with quote

How old, how much disk space?
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

any age, as much disk as poss

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PostPosted: 17:35 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just buy a PCI ATA controller and a fuck-off big HD
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea... you can get 'em for £25 for a Raid 0,1 or less for no Raid.

I'm intending to put one in a pc as a server... so with 8 HDs in total of varying sizes.

If you want computers, I got em... yours for the taking <233MHz ish.
If you want faster I got a couple of 400MHz lying around in various states of working Smile.. though I would want something for those.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demonic69 wrote:
Just buy a PCI ATA controller and a fuck-off big HD

I've got a 4 channel Promise controller with 2 x 160gb + 2 x 80gb Maxtor drives in JBOD configuration - the controller came free with one of the 160gb drives. It's great in one way because you retain the 4 channels on the motherboard for a boot drive and CD drives, plus you can use the array as one big drive instead of 4 smaller ones.

The problem is extending it. I've now filled it up and to add another drive I'm going to need to rebuild the whole thing which means finding somewhere to put 480gb temporarily - not going to be easy. Oh, and if one of the four drives dies - the whole array is fucked Confused. If I was doing it again I'd get a better controller and build a Raid 5 array instead, less disk space for the same money but it would be extendible and one drive failing wouldn't lose you all your data.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korn: wtf have u managed to fll 480gigs worth with!! That takes some doing Shocked

G: wot disks have the <233mhz got in em?
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korn: wtf have u managed to fll 480gigs worth with!! That takes some doing


Give me 480gb of space and I'd fill it up with porn in 2 days max Smile
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't bother with RAID on an IDE Array.
If you want some decent storage get a NAS like a Snapserver.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but 480 gigs of stuff.

/me points korn at dvd burners
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
/me points korn at dvd burners


Yeeeeeeeah. He'd only need to burn about 100 DVD's to clear some space.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

/me points to copious amount of pr0n CD's stacked in the corner.

Korns got nothing on me Razz
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 15 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have 5x80gb in a Raid 5 array at work (4 in array + 1 failover)... and IMO it's loads better than other similarly priced options. It's dfefinatley a lot faster than a SCSI soloution at a similar price (128mb cache helps Smile )

The only prob is a Hardware RAID 5 card (go for the promise, 'cos it has 6 channels while the Adaptec has 4) is that it's £300 ish for the card.

I was actually thinking along the lines of this the other night:
6x120gb drives + Raid 5 card= 6x£100+£300=£900
Which gives 600gb Useable space

While
8x120gb + 2 x Raid 0,1 cards=8x£100 + 2 x 25= £850
Which would give you 480Gb in a Raid 10 array
However it would be much easier to start small with this configuration and it has a lot more redundany.

You can always consider Software Raid courtesy of M$ ... (need server for Raid 5 I believe... not sure of how good it really is) I wouldn't be suprised if it actually slowed the transfer rate down, but that's not always an issue.

I wasn't aware you can just add disks to a RAID 5 array.. none of the Dells we use it ley you do it AFAIK, and I don't think the promise card does... shall investigate if I got particularly bored at some point Smile


And I'm sure we can workout what takes up all that space on Korn's hard discs Razz
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to reset the RAID array if you're adding disks as the parity disk needs to re-configure what's put in.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raid 5 uses striped Parity I believe... Raid 3 has a seperate disk... but yea, same thing.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raid 5 uses 1 disk for parity. RAID 3 doesn't exist AFAIK
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demonic69 wrote:
AFAIK


Which, if your honest isnt very much Razz
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta muchly Smile
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

RAID 5 uses 1 disks /worth/ of space for the parity, however this is striped accross all the disks. RAID 3 has one specific disk dedicated to the parity.

Can't be bothered to google .. but I'm, pretty sure that's the way it is.

RAID 3 /does/ exist, it's little used... there's pretty much all the RAID numbers between 0-10 that have been created by one company or another... of the minor ones 3 is more well known.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

googled:
https://www.recoverdata.com/raidfaq.htm
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen wrote:
Korn: wtf have u managed to fll 480gigs worth with!! That takes some doing Shocked

It's not actually porn. Mosly DivX movies (I think I've ammased 200+ now) and episodes from TV series. I have a seperate 160gb disk which has porn on it (I need a lot of it for work, you see), and it's not even half full Crying or Very sad

G wrote:
I was actually thinking along the lines of this the other night: 6x120gb drives + Raid 5 card= 6x£100+£300=£900
Which gives 600gb Useable space

I built a spreadsheet a few weeks ago to do this type of calculation and 120gb drives came out cheapest for me as well.

The current plan is to get hold of a DAT drive, back up my 480gb of stuff and sell that array, then buy six Maxtor 200 gig drives (not an obvious choice but a mate's business has a pallette they're selling off uber cheap) and build a new array for 1 gig of space. Just need to knock off a few post offices first Razz
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

How cheap is 'uber cheap' then? Smile
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

When he first told me about it he was knocking them out for £50!! I promptly adivsed him to double the price, silly twot.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 16 Apr 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go and tell him that prices have come down again £25 is reasonable now Smile... and I'll have 10 Razz

If anymore are availalble I might be interested.
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