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Robchester
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Bike magazine reviews...Do you trust them? Reply with quote

Ive always been pretty trusting of magazine reviews, however after hearing quite a few different points of view from people in the know this last few weeks, its begun to put a slant on it.

I never really gave it much thought that certain manufacturers pay a lot of money for advertising in these magazines, thus they have the edge when it comes to review time. A particular bike I had been looking at has been given very little press attention due to the fact that I havent actually seen it advertised very much at all (if any).

The Street Triple is probably a perfect example of good marketing. Triumph have obviously loaded the mags with ads for them, paying top dollar and in return have had very favourable reviews from all of the magazines, encouraging more than 1200 people this year to buy one which is incredible for a naked bike. Obviously the product has to be half decent to start with.

So reviews....do you trust them?
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get my reviews from BCF, people dont get paid to say good things on here.
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Street Triple isn't the first, look at the bike 'exclusives' with magazines with the 675, yet the 600 was an utter flop. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 15 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do trust the reviews that I read in the motorcycle periodicals.

I am not going to say that a expensive bike launch won't dazzle a journaist, or they don't stick with the big money manufacturs but the jurno's do get to ride a lot of metal, more than the majority on here. And get to jump from one bike to its rival to the next in one group test. And once in a while they do give a bad review, even to the big boys.

I think its the used tests that have the best information as it also contains the experiances of the owners so you get to know what a bike is like to ride and to live with.

I believe that the mags are a good start but you should always go and try the bike you want. After all a blinding review from a 6ft bike tester is no good if you are 5ft 2 with stubby legs.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LukeVFR wrote:
You never know, a company could have paid them to get a better (or worst) review. Unlikely, but possible.


I'd say that is highly likely actually...
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
I get my reviews from BCF, people dont get paid to say good things on here.


Aye, but to be honest lots of the views you find on here are actually people spewing 2nd hand opinions which they read about a bike either here or in one of the magazines (having never ridden one) to make it look like they have an opinion - just take a look at any of the 'what bike' threads! So you gotta take these with a pinch of salt!

There are a fair few people on here who you can trust to have actually ridden the bike in question, but even then it's just an opinion. I personally would never buy a bike solely based on a review of it (would never have bought my Enfield otherwise!), but they do make interesting reading when thinking about which bikes to consider. Decisions like buying a bike are rarely made based on reviews and cold hard facts, but much more on your heart and how something makes YOU feel...

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PostPosted: 08:16 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suitor_Stu wrote:
it's just an opinion


Exactly, and with something as personal as a bike it really comes down to you and you alone in the end.

The 'what bike' threads are often really amusing, people arguing til the cows come home about how much better one universal japanese 600 is than another, when what really counts is how it feels to the person who'll be riding it. Sometimes, for no particular reason, you'll just like one better than another. In my opinion, that's the best reason to buy - because you like it.
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read mags for the sake of something to do at lunchtime, in the can etc.

Publishers try to sell mags and parts suppliers, manufacturers pay big money to advertise. Of course they want a good word as well.

I've been begged many a time in my own line of work by magazines like Fast car, Max power and even Pimp my Ride UK for free stuff in exchange for a few plug in an article. Thats when they're not ringing everyday looking me to spend on 'discount advertising'

Just seems to be the way it is these days. Triumph as someone suggested seems to be an example. I've never ridden one and I would generally overlook them but they seem to get rave reviews everywhere which might just about convince me to have a look.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a big thing is that people use bikes in different ways, and so different bikes are good for different people.

Magazine journalists sometimes struggle to imagine themselves as a different sort of rider and often dont bother, although they do sometimes.

I've not tried the street triple, but i suspect that its pretty versatile, so can be useful to a wide variety of people and in a wide variety of situations, whereas some track focused bikes arent gonna be much fun for commuting.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie Hitler wrote:
I get my reviews from BCF, people dont get paid to say good things on here.


You still have to take them with a pinch of salt. Everyone's inherent psychology prevents them from giving an un-biased review of something they've spent a lot of money on. No-one wants to look like a fool after all.

Similarly, you get a kind of arbitrary pack hatred that is built up from a minority and then somehow backed up by repetition until everyone believes it. I suspect the general hatred of the ninja 250r could be an example of this although i haven't had chance to try it for myself.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As soon as I read a glowing review in a bike mag of a piece of chinese junk (the same bike had been ripped to shreds by owners on here) that sealed the deal for me that mag reviews mean nothing. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the bike suits the rider sod what others say. My bike is just right for me ( Varadero) but it gets slagged off all the time. it may not be the best at any one thing but the sum of its parts makes it a great bike for ME.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Similarly, you get a kind of arbitrary pack hatred that is built up from a minority and then somehow backed up by repetition until everyone believes it. I suspect the general hatred of the ninja 250r could be an example of this although i haven't had chance to try it for myself.


There's a general hatred of the Ninja 250R? Why was I not informed?
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
There's a general hatred of the Ninja 250R? Why was I not informed?


Try finding a 33bhp thread without the words boring / soulless and 250r being mentioned. Admittedly it always seems to get recommended first. It's still number 1 on my list of next bikes.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

One magazine I read occasionly runs reviews on older machines and about how they faired in the bike industry, they also quote the stuff they said at the time when the bike was first released.

The stuff they say at the time is normally wildly different and contradicting to the stuff they say about the same machine now.

Make of that what you will
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
There's a general hatred of the Ninja 250R? Why was I not informed?


Try finding a 33bhp thread without the words boring / soulless and 250r being mentioned. Admittedly it always seems to get recommended first. It's still number 1 on my list of next bikes.


Isn't it the same with the CBR125R though? It is after all seen by some as a CG125 with a fairing, and yet it is the best selling bike in the UK. If it is that boring wouldn't people stop buying it? It also never gets a good write up in any mag.

I have not sat on or ridden the Ninja 250R but it looks cool, and when you are 17 that counts for a lot. It also sits in that middle ground between a 125 and a 600 that is fairly "cool free" unless you like your supermotos. Its new, insurable, from a big name, available direct from a local dealer and (im 85% sure?!?) needs no modifications to be ridden on an A1 licence. No wonder they have sold out. If you are used to your 600 supersports it is going to be boring but if you are 17 and Mum and Dad said yes to a bike as long as its 500cc or under its gonna be a winner!
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goat-Boy wrote:


Isn't it the same with the CBR125R though? It is after all seen by some as a CG125 with a fairing, and yet it is the best selling bike in the UK. If it is that boring wouldn't people stop buying it? It also never gets a good write up in any mag.

I have not sat on or ridden the Ninja 250R but it looks cool, and when you are 17 that counts for a lot. It also sits in that middle ground between a 125 and a 600 that is fairly "cool free" unless you like your supermotos. Its new, insurable, from a big name, available direct from a local dealer and (im 85% sure?!?) needs no modifications to be ridden on an A1 licence. No wonder they have sold out. If you are used to your 600 supersports it is going to be boring but if you are 17 and Mum and Dad said yes to a bike as long as its 500cc or under its gonna be a winner!




No. Do the maths? Bought by who? 17 year olds. Most of which will have what experience on bikes? Most of who's friends will have bought what? The CBR.

You pretty much answered your own question there.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goat-Boy wrote:
it looks cool, and when you are 17 that counts for a lot.

It also sits in that middle ground between a 125 and a 600 that is fairly "cool free" unless you like your supermotos. Its new, insurable, from a big name, available direct from a local dealer and (im 85% sure?!?) needs no modifications to be ridden on an A1 licence.


Hey, I'm 28 and looking cool still counts a lot Wink

I know a few people now around my kind of age who are doing the restricted license out of choice including myself so i can ease myself into bikes, no point in going straight onto a thou and either dieing or if I'm lucky enough not to die, finding nothing to upgrade to. Anyway, the fun is to be had in the corners which a little light 250 should be good at.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:
Goat-Boy wrote:


Isn't it the same with the CBR125R though? It is after all seen by some as a CG125 with a fairing, and yet it is the best selling bike in the UK. If it is that boring wouldn't people stop buying it? It also never gets a good write up in any mag.

I have not sat on or ridden the Ninja 250R but it looks cool, and when you are 17 that counts for a lot. It also sits in that middle ground between a 125 and a 600 that is fairly "cool free" unless you like your supermotos. Its new, insurable, from a big name, available direct from a local dealer and (im 85% sure?!?) needs no modifications to be ridden on an A1 licence. No wonder they have sold out. If you are used to your 600 supersports it is going to be boring but if you are 17 and Mum and Dad said yes to a bike as long as its 500cc or under its gonna be a winner!




No. Do the maths? Bought by who? 17 year olds. Most of which will have what experience on bikes? Most of who's friends will have bought what? The CBR.

You pretty much answered your own question there.


Only if you think the CBR125R is a bad bike (which it isn't). Its very easy to ride and maintain and it looks the part. Until the YBR-R125 turned up it was the default choice (unless you liked 2-stroke engine rebuilds). If you have come from a 600 yes its shite, but from a 50cc its cool.

The Ninja 250R is going to be the same. Jump from a blade onto a 250R and its gonna be a turd. From the CBR125R its gonna be amazing but its not going to be too much to handle or insure. Maybe the ER6F or SV650S etc. would make better choices for restricted 1st big bikes but neither has the "cool sportsbike-alike" look that most people in the uk want.

We have a bit of a hole in the uk market. A 15bhp 125 to a 120bhp sports 600 is a huge step. We need more sports 250's and 400's that look the part but are really safe and easy to ride, cheep to run and insure (yes maybe a bit on the boring side compared with the geometry of a sports 600) to fill the gap.

Don't think I am right? Name 5 bikes, under 500cc but over 125cc with sports bike looks that are on sale, band new in the uk now.

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PostPosted: 14:23 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:
No. Do the maths? Bought by who? 17 year olds. Most of which will have what experience on bikes? Most of who's friends will have bought what? The CBR.

You pretty much answered your own question there.


There are people out there who need a 33bhp bike.

The point was whether they're good or not, not whether a 250r is better than a desmo rr. Of course if you're used to top end superbikes, a 250 won't cut it. If you're not is a 250 boring? Is the kwak 250r a good bike? - I'm not sure, but the reviews are mostly encouraging* and i feel the disparaging comments are mainly from those who have a lot of experience of much higher performance bikes. Guess I'll just have to see for myself - hopefully in a few weeks time!

*i was getting dangerously close to the original topic. Sorry for the partial hijack.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite like the reviews in Bike magazine. They often have a few people testing the bikes and each gives their opinion so it helps to give a balanced perspective.

If I'm interested in a bike I'll read a review, search on Google for major problems etc, read the MCN comments and then go for a test ride. So I like them as they are part of a process which helps me judge whether a bike is right or not for me.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think what they say is accurate, but what they class as a good bike is different to what i do.
eg. gixer thou is supposed to be a fav bike for most mags, but i wont buy one, il'd rather have a zx10.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit that I couldn't give a rats as about a review as look in a different mag and it'll be a complete different opinion.

I like what I like and I know what I like.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting replies, Ive no doubt that some bike mags say somethings better because theyve been paid a shed load to advertise it.

Personally, I go to the owner forums, and ask their opinions. Some are obviously biased but then you get the real op on living with one too
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 16 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 years ago my bike was given 94% by Superbike.

Roleon 1 year later and its awarded the worst rear shock for any bike.

I know the shocks not great, but its a lot better than anything i'd owned before at the time.

And can you compare a £10K bike with a £5K

Of course its not going to be as good.

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One thing they never seem to consider is simple things
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How high is the seat (not just seat heigh it depends).
Underseat storage (My ER5 & Z750s ace, my ER6n utter shit)
Is there hooks for luggage.
Tank range (Tank capacity is not enough).
Length of warranty and cost of service.
Actual dealer price.
Finance deals. (People will be tempted by 0%APR I was)
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