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PostPosted: 11:58 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Filtering, why is it such a grey area? Reply with quote

As above really, I'm surprised how much hassle it causes, both from a legal point of view (all the 'quoted' cases after accidents...) and from a highway code point of view.

Why don't they (whomever 'they' are) make it clearer? Include it as part of the theory test question bank to make all drivers aware of the term, and possible effects on their observation and so on.

To describe filtering would be something like 'overtaking slow moving or stationary traffic' but my train of thought goes all mushy past here, as it completely depends on how the lane is defined - solid line, broken line, chevrons and whether there is oncoming traffic in the lane to your right and so on.

The thing is, until I moved in biker circles, I'd never heard the term. I'd observed bikes overtaking while in traffic, and it looks like the biker is pushing in - as a car driver, I never considered it much past this point. I know now that it is indeed pushing in, but at a certain rate that you can't hold anyone up, because you'll be on your way much, much quicker than anyone in a car.

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PostPosted: 12:02 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Filtering, why is it such a grey area? Reply with quote

I think you've just about asked and answered your own question all in one post - very clever! Wink

UnknownStuntman wrote:
Why don't they (whomever 'they' are) make it clearer? ?



UnknownStuntman wrote:
To describe filtering would be something like 'overtaking slow moving or stationary traffic' but my train of thought goes all mushy past here, as it completely depends on how the lane is defined - solid line, broken line, chevrons and whether there is oncoming traffic in the lane to your right and so on.?


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PostPosted: 12:09 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, i agree it's quite a grey area, having just started owning/riding a 125 i filter a lot, but i only filter when i know it's safe to do so and isn't going to piss any car drivers off, now this morning i had to filter through 6-8miles of stationary traffic (some dumb bint in a Ford Ka went into the back of a pug 406) and a fair few drivers were courteous and moved over for me, which i thanked them as i went past.
Saying that, I'd be extremely careful about filtering past a police car, purely because i don't know if I'm completely legal in doing so.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
Indeed, i agree it's quite a grey area, having just started owning/riding a 125 i filter a lot, but i only filter when i know it's safe to do so and isn't going to piss any car drivers off, now this morning i had to filter through 6-8miles of stationary traffic (some dumb bint in a Ford Ka went into the back of a pug 406) and a fair few drivers were courteous and moved over for me, which i thanked them as i went past.
Saying that, I'd be extremely careful about filtering past a police car, purely because i don't know if I'm completely legal in doing so.


You will be fine passing a police car, I have done it loads of times. Some have even pulled over to give me a bit more room as my bike isn't exactly slimline.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
Acemastr wrote:
Indeed, i agree it's quite a grey area, having just started owning/riding a 125 i filter a lot, but i only filter when i know it's safe to do so and isn't going to piss any car drivers off, now this morning i had to filter through 6-8miles of stationary traffic (some dumb bint in a Ford Ka went into the back of a pug 406) and a fair few drivers were courteous and moved over for me, which i thanked them as i went past.
Saying that, I'd be extremely careful about filtering past a police car, purely because i don't know if I'm completely legal in doing so.


You will be fine passing a police car, I have done it loads of times. Some have even pulled over to give me a bit more room as my bike isn't exactly slimline.


Thanks for the info, as far as i can tell as long as it's safe to do so, you can filter through traffic fairly freely, as long as you don't cross any solid white lines and don't do it in a stupid manner.

Again thanks for clearing that up.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Filtering, why is it such a grey area? Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
I think you've just about asked and answered your own question all in one post - very clever! Wink

Well *I* know (kinda) now, but *I*'m not one of *them* am I?! Smile

Point being, make everyone aware of what it is and the legality of the manoeuvre. It shouldn't be something that only bikers are aware of...
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been pulled for it - because I was being "aggressive". Got a warning.

I was being aggressive, it's true. Don't blame them. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Re: Filtering, why is it such a grey area? Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
To describe filtering would be something like 'overtaking slow moving or stationary traffic'


Pretty much exactly what it is, and no different to doing exactly the same in a car. Just that with a car there is far less chance of their being space to legally do it.

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PostPosted: 13:13 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful what you wish for.

If it was made "more clear", I suspect that it would become 'less legal'....
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC Bodge wrote:
Be careful what you wish for.

If it was made "more clear", I suspect that it would become 'less legal'....


Why is filtering a grey area? How can they make it less legal? The only way they can outlaw filtering is to ban overtaking altogether and if that happened then every motorist is shafted not just motorcyclists.

Provided certain basic rules are complied with, perfectly legal always has been always will be.
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
How can they make it less legal?


Presumeably by just banning overtaking on the left, which would stop pretty much all motorway and dual carraigeway filtering.

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PostPosted: 15:11 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Provided certain basic rules are complied with, perfectly legal always has been always will be.

Ah, welcome sir - your presence is most welcome! What are these basic rules then?
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 20 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thread Stunty, anyway my gripe is the "pushing in" bit. If cagers obeyed the highway code ( keeping distance from vehicle in front) the there would be plenty of bike sized gaps all over the place. And anyone with half a brain would know that giving space for a bike is not going to cost you a second as they will be gone from that gap soon anyway.

Filtering=overtaking. Easier for bikes as they are smaller, quicker and more agile. Same rules apply though.
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