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killa
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: What can you tell me about this car? Reply with quote

Im very interested, i know the basics, but i know there's some keen car enthusiasts on here that might fill me in on some details.

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PostPosted: 12:38 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems pretty good although I'm a bit sussed about the mileage for it's age.

I don't know much about that shape levin really apart from the obvious checks, best to ask the guy about the importing docs though as he says he had it brought in in july and makes no mention about whether it was an external company that did the importing. Got to be very clear on the docs as I have heard some stories about cars being impounded etc.

Checked MID and a quick RAC data check and it comes up as a Toyota corolla so that's at least partly legit Wink

I think these levin's aren't common in the uk and I'm not sure how many parts will be shared with the boggo corolla. Nice looking car though! Thumbs Up Shame it isn't a drift monster like the old levin Cool
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 23 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's slow. I'll sell you my nova for 1000 Thumbs Up haha
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PostPosted: 03:46 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks awful, like one of those taxi's the asian kids drive around in with the only modification being an oversized set of black/polished lip alloys. And the front grill looks like it came off a Cadillac.
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be as reliable as the setting sun if the mileage is genuine.

Actually even if it has done 133,000 miles then it will be reliable. If you can get it cheap then it should be a good car. It might not be super fun, but it will be a good car.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who owns a car parts company, I'll give you my humble opinion.

Toyota's are uber-reliable, however, if anything were to go wrong with that vehicle you might struggle to get parts. I'm not talking engine parts, but other parts that will be sepcific to that model.

And FYI, the DVLA have this vehicle listed as an MR2, with a chassis number of SW20-0098952 , which does sound like an MR2 chassis number. Doesn't neccesarily mean it's 'dodgy', as the DVLA know nothing about cars or data entry.

[EDIT] They also have engine capacity listed as 1998cc, with an engine number of "35". This may have road tax implications!
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:
As someone who owns a car parts company, I'll give you my humble opinion.

Toyota's are uber-reliable, however, if anything were to go wrong with that vehicle you might struggle to get parts. I'm not talking engine parts, but other parts that will be sepcific to that model.

And FYI, the DVLA have this vehicle listed as an MR2, with a chassis number of SW20-0098952 , which does sound like an MR2 chassis number. Doesn't neccesarily mean it's 'dodgy', as the DVLA know nothing about cars or data entry.

[EDIT] They also have engine capacity listed as 1998cc, with an engine number of "35". This may have road tax implications!


Cambox cover states twincam 2.0 unlesse it has 5 valves per cylinder.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

headgear wrote:


Cambox cover states twincam 2.0 unlesse it has 5 valves per cylinder.


The sellers description suggests it's a 1.6. If it is a 1.6 then it will have cheaper tax won't it ? Not sure these days as they change the rules every month.

If it is a 1.6, but DVLA think it's a 2 litre you might have to pay more tax, and inevitably more insurance. Worth thinking about before committing to a purchase.

No idea why it says "20" on the rocker cover. Perhaps the seller has got it wrong, perhaps a transplant, who knows ? Wouldn't of thought it would be 5v per cyl though :shrug:
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any jap cars are very reliable.

I have had a nissan and a toyota for the last 10 years and just changed the normal stuff really.

Sails through mot every year.

All family & friends cane me for having these and no I am not a paki mini-cab driver.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentali-juan wrote:
Any jap cars are very reliable.

I have had a nissan and a toyota for the last 10 years and just changed the normal stuff really.

Sails through mot every year.

All family & friends cane me for having these and no I am not a paki mini-cab driver.


The problem I have with vehicles like this is that whilst Toyotas are reliable, if say, a rear light lense got cracked/broken, or someone knocked off your drivers side mirror etc etc, it would be an MOT failure, and you will struggle to find the parts needed.

If you do find the parts needed they will be expensive to replace. If you can't find the parts the car will effectively be worth nothing.

My opinion Killa would be to look at other mainstream vehicles if possible. A car like this could prove to be expensive to keep on the road, unless you really want it and have the funds to throw at it if/when problems arise.

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PostPosted: 10:44 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

yellowninja wrote:

The problem I have with vehicles like this is that whilst Toyotas are reliable, if say, a rear light lense got cracked/broken, or someone knocked off your drivers side mirror etc etc, it would be an MOT failure, and you will struggle to find the parts needed.

If you do find the parts needed they will be expensive to replace. If you can't find the parts the car will effectively be worth nothing.

My opinion Killa would be to look at other mainstream vehicles if possible. A car like this could prove to be expensive to keep on the road, unless you really want it and have the funds to throw at it if/when problems arise.

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Agree Thumbs Up If you don't mind spending a fair while trying to source parts then you should really have no other troubles with it.

In reference to other questions though, the engine in this is a 1.6 20valve (5v per cylinder) inline 4. As it's a toyota you'll probably never have a problem with the engine anyway but if you ever do then you may be in trouble as there aren't any european models that used this engine.
You would need to keep it serviced but I don't fancy the bill for adjusting 20 valves Shocked

It is a nice motor and they do go well (my new found knowledge is funnily enough from another forum I'm on where someone's just bought one). I think the model after this had a 6 speed 'box and 5bhp more too.

Basically though, if you want a cheap and reliable motor you're doing the right thing looking a jap cars but avoid specialist imports unless you plan to really spend time and cash on keeping it mint.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Levin (/Trueno) is a 1.6 as far as I'm aware (regardless of what it says at the DVLA), with 20 valves, hence the 20 on the engine cover. I think they make around 170bhp at fairly high revs - the engine has variable valve timing, like Honda's VTEC.

The newer ones look better too:

https://www.monkys.jp/e/img3/1993AE111_01_01.jpg
https://www.monkys.jp/e/img3/1993AE111_02_01.jpg
https://www.monkys.jp/e/img3/1993AE111_03_01.jpg

Pretty standard Toyota inside, as you can see. Japanese import, but there do seem to be a few about in this country.

The model designation is "AE111", if you fancy googling more about them.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was listed a couple of months ago, for some reason the old ad still comes up on the Polish ebay- https://cgi.ebay.pl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110288197868&indexURL=

The buy it now price is way too high for a 13yr old imported corolla.
Not sure if his still hoping to get that. Getting insurance on imports can workout tricky and a lot more expensive for new drivers as well.
Personally if I wanted a sporty Japanese car I'd be looking at UK models of Celicas, Preludes, Civic coupes ect. You could pick one up at a much better price and be able to buy parts from any old parts shop rather then having to search the internet every time something goes wrong.


yellowninja wrote:
with a chassis number of SW20-0098952 , which does sound like an MR2 chassis number.


Yeah its the mk2 MR2 chassis number (90-98? i think), I used to have one of the early rev1 mk2's, I loved that car Razz
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
Getting insurance on imports can workout tricky and a lot more expensive for new drivers as well.


I haven't found that a car being an import makes much of a difference when I've been searching for quotes, usually no more than £50 with a like-for-like UK model (at quotes around the £400 mark - it may be more or less comparitively with cheaper or more expensive quotes).
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait vor the v-tec to kick in........


Its a jap import so the mileage will be a complete lie.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 24 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

AJI wrote:

I haven't found that a car being an import makes much of a difference when I've been searching for quotes, usually no more than £50 with a like-for-like UK model (at quotes around the £400 mark - it may be more or less comparitively with cheaper or more expensive quotes).


Well I can only speak from my own experiences, but twice I've tried to insure Japanese import cars and twice I've got stupid insurance quotes from a range of insurers.
At 20 nobody would insure me on an import even the companies that specialize in young drivers, fast cars, they all said I needed to be 21.
So I waited (and saved)

When I turned 21 I test drove a Nissan 300zx n/a Japanese import, it was amazing so I phoned for a quote. The lowest price I got was £2500tpft. Shocked (this was in 2001 when insurance was a fair bit cheaper for young drivers Smile )
But one of the companies mentioned that if I had a UK model 300zx it would only cost £700tpft. I said that all UK 300zx's were the twin turbo model, and he said this didn't matter.
Needless to say 12hours later I was the owner of a UK spec 300zx TT Twisted Evil

The other time I got an insurance quote on an import was 2 years ago on a honda CRX del sol of £1200 I'm not sure if there a high insurance group or not I bought a UK model Celica GT instead and the insurance was only £380 Confused

I'm not sure if its just me but I've been fairly lucky getting decent insurance quotes, but as soon as I mention Japanese import the companies seem to run a mile Confused
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr_fisty wrote:
Its a jap import so the mileage will be a complete lie.


While it's a generalisation so not necessarily true in this case, it quite often is.

A lot of US spec Pontiacs and Chevrolets are exported to Japan, and then imported into the UK, they all seem to come across with absurd mileages, like 15,000 on '93-95 cars, and from looking at them there's no way they are genuine. A lot are handled through these large Japanese importers who mainly deal in the usual stuff like Skylines/Celicas, they're either responsible for the clocking or their agents in Japan are, but I wouldn't trust them one bit.

Al, UK spec cars will always be significantly cheaper to insure than the parallel/grey equivalent when you're in a high risk group, ie young. 300ZXs, Imprezas, 3000GTs all have UK spec models, but they're usually strangled in some way which is why they're not as popular.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 25 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a 20v engine - with 5 valves per cylinder. This is a 20v 4AGE, which is the final development of the engine used in the Mk1 MR2. As such it should retain the 8000 rpm redline, and will be revvy. If they used TVIS (variable inlet tract) as with the MR2, it will still have reasonable midrange though.

All 16v 4AGE engines were 1.6. The 20v may have come out to 1.8, but I think it was still 1.6. Have a look on fensport under the Mk1 MR2 engine upgrades to be sure.

However, despite the sweet engine, its still a FWD corolla. The only corollas with the 4AGE engine to have are the mid-late 80s RWD ones, otherwise you might as well go for any corolla. For a quick japanese FWD car a civic VTI would be a better choice, or an accord.

I wouldn't expect that car to handle at all well. It will be revvy, and the engine is light so I wouldn't be expecting impressive traction.

So nothing much to recommend it, and previous posts have suggested some paperwork dodginess. Any paperwork dodginess is more trouble than its worth, particularly when it comes to insuring it.
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