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JakeyR
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Court.. Reply with quote

I got knocked off 4 months to this day, september i got a letter saying I'm being summonsed to court for riding without a license.

I get on the phone to the po po, they reckon I'm only allowed to ride a 125 on my license, this is the Police for fucks sake and they don't even know the law, i explain to them that i can ride whatever the fuck i want so long as its 33bhp and the power to weight ratio doesn't exceed 0.16 kw per kg. Police still don't understand.

So yeah, turn up at court today, and some duty solicitor dude takes me to an interview room and he explains to me how he knows the laws and knows what a big fuck up the whole situation is, he says the magistrate could get narky and ask for proof that the bike was restricted at the time of the crash, but at the end of the day its 4 months on and they can't prove fuck all, i even had a borrowed restrictor kit to flash at them and give them the metaphorical finger.

The woman who's trying to prosecute me stands up and says something along the lines of "err well we were lead to believe mr blahbah was riding a motorcycle bigger than his license allows but we have received some new proof and information that this is not the case, so errrm i have nothing else to say"

The snotty magistrate people say oh ok case dropped.

That's about it, in and out of court in about 20 mins, the point is the Police know fuck all about laws regarding bikes, ok yeah i got away with it blah blah, and i suppose its good for me that they didn't know, but you'd expect traffic police to know what theyre on about Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 15:21 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the otherhand if you hand't lied youd have been served justice on a plate Wink .

But so would I, like fuck would i restrict anything i own Razz

In all fairness very few non-motorcyclists understand the 33bhp law, on the other hand they should have researched it before commiting to a court date and dragging you in.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i wasn't restricted at the time of the crash but thats not the fookin' point, the point is the Police know fuck all about laws regarding bikes, and it takes the piss,


And some others just choose to ignore them Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet 90% of this forum didn't restrict their bikes.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I bet they would at least feel relieved if they had got away with it rather than feeling the Police were "taking the piss"
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's 25kw isn't it ?

edit: whoops just noticed the per kg thing


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PostPosted: 15:28 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, yeh 25kw.

Kwaker, ok yeah, I'm relieved, but if it was someone else on a restricted bike, they'd feel like they've been done over, thats the point.

At the end of the day i was the one who got knocked off and dragged to court for the privilege, if anyone should have gone to court it should have been the woman who knocked me off imo.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
Your second names rainford urgh Laughing and it's 25kw isn't it ?

edit: whoops just noticed the per kg thing


25 kilowatt = 33.990 540 433 horsepower [metric]
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure she has been dealt with.


How would you feel if you had crashed into a car driven by someone without a licence? Thinking


Point is, you were riding illegally, you got away with it. Don't then complain about what might have happened.

Also not a good idea to post a confession on here along with your name and court date Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:


How would you feel if you had crashed into a car driven by someone without a licence? Thinking



But he does have a license and insurance
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:


Also not a good idea to post a confession on here along with your name and court date Rolling Eyes


Edited. Thumbs Up

nick606 wrote:

But he does have a license and insurance


Exactly, ok the insurance is technically invalid because of the restriction etc, but it didn't go that far.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
kwaker6r wrote:


How would you feel if you had crashed into a car driven by someone without a licence? Thinking



But he does have a license and insurance


please, not this again!
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

He did not have a licence for the bike he was on.

I know if I was riding/driving and accidently hit something which shouldn't have been there in the first place I would be pretty pissed off.


Tough if you disagree, but I hate people jumping onto un restricted bikes when the licence is restricted. Too many people have been hurt due to this, and I will not condone it.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
He did not have a licence for the bike he was on.

I know if I was riding/driving and accidently hit something which shouldn't have been there in the first place I would be pretty pissed off.


Why because your a bad driver ? Tbh that just sounds like you don't want to blamed for your accident. Would you feel the same if you hit a cow that walked into the road or a fallen tree Laughing

kwaker6r wrote:

Tough if you disagree, but I hate people jumping onto un restricted bikes when the licence is restricted. Too many people have been hurt due to this, and I will not condone it.


Once again i bet there are loads of people out there on a restricted license that can handle a bike better than some mid life crisis guy who goes out and buys a 1000 and younger people have quicker reactions time.

Why isn't it ok for a 18 year old make up his mind on what bike to ride but its ok for me to join the army and risk my life in the army for the country : /. I think a 600 would be a bit safer than iraq.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
I think a 600 would be a bit safer than iraq.


Best quote ever. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would you feel the same if you hit a cow that walked into the road or a fallen tree


Yeah I would, a farmer has a responsibility to keep his animals secure.

I would also be pissed off if I hit a couch, a table or anything else which shoukldnt be there, including joyriders, drunk drivers, uninsured & unlicenced.

The restriction law is there for a reason, it is to allow younger riders to gain roadcraft and experience. How many 18year olds pass there driving test and jump into cars capable of 186mph and acceleration of 0-60 in under 4 seconds?

When you grow some hair on your chest you may realise that with age comes responsibility & experience.

As for the Iraq comment, more bikers are killed each year in the UK than servicemen in Iraq, so make up your own mind.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to know where taxpayer's money goes, isn't it.

Hope the person responsible for taking you to court has the court costs taken out of his salary Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The restriction law is there for a reason, it is to allow younger riders to gain roadcraft and experience. How many 18year olds pass there driving test and jump into cars capable of 186mph and acceleration of 0-60 in under 4 seconds?

When you grow some hair on your chest you may realise that with age comes responsibility & experience.


See thats where i disagree with you completely, when you hear about local cars of youths dying/crashing into trees and such like it dosnt need to be a huge car its usually the small saxo they could afford that they pushed to the limit, and surpassed it, quite often resulting in multiple deaths/injuries.
Say a 1.1 saxo does about 100 and its one of the most common cars to start out in, wheres the figuring in that, you can die at 100mph in a car still?
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
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Would you feel the same if you hit a cow that walked into the road or a fallen tree


Yeah I would, a farmer has a responsibility to keep his animals secure.

I would also be pissed off if I hit a couch, a table or anything else which shoukldnt be there, including joyriders, drunk drivers, uninsured & unlicenced.


What about a fallen tree or a wild animal or is that there fault too ? Because im sure the highway code says something different.

kwaker6r wrote:

The restriction law is there for a reason, it is to allow younger riders to gain roadcraft and experience. How many 18year olds pass there driving test and jump into cars capable of 186mph and acceleration of 0-60 in under 4 seconds?

When you grow some hair on your chest you may realise that with age comes responsibility & experience.


Can a 600 do 186mph ? no

Would i want to do 186mph ? no

and do you know me or know how i ride or anything about me ? no. For all you know im a better safer and smoother rider than you. I think ill decide when im ready to ride what ever i want. Yes i know there a idiots but there going to be idiots with 33bhp anyway so you can't stop that Rolling Eyes

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As for the Iraq comment, more bikers are killed each year in the UK than servicemen in Iraq, so make up your own mind.


Yer but isn't one of the highest fatalities. Accidents involving middle age men riding high power sports bike/ sport tours with no other vehicles involved Neutral

And how do you know with age comes experience. I have been riding bikes for nearly 2 year yes i know thats not a lot, but a guy i work with is 59 and is thinking about getting a bike (he has never ridden before)

so who has more experience ?
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
but a guy i work with is 59 and is thinking about getting a bike (he has never ridden before)

so who has more experience ?


Who is more likely to go out and push himself too far becuase he is desperate for knee-down bragging rights amongst his mates?

Who is more likely to be showing off by ragging it past a car full of other 18 year olds?

Who is more likely to ride around on defective tryes becuase they cant afford new ones untill next payday?

Extreme examples but you get my point.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

skluff wrote:
nick606 wrote:
but a guy i work with is 59 and is thinking about getting a bike (he has never ridden before)

so who has more experience ?


Who is more likely to go out and push himself too far becuase he is desperate for knee-down bragging rights amongst his mates?

Who is more likely to be showing off by ragging it past a car full of other 18 year olds?

Who is more likely to ride around on defective tryes becuase they cant afford new ones untill next payday?

Extreme examples but you get my point.


1. I ride within my limit if my limits means i can use all the tyre isn't that a advantage to me ?
2. Ride within my limits.
3. I have a full time job and live at home and hes a tight arse so probably him. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
Yer but isn't one of the highest fatalities. Accidents involving middle age men riding high power sports bike/ sport tours with no other vehicles involved Neutral


No. The highest fatality rates are young males:

21.6% men age 16-24
70.6% men age 25-64
(the rest are women)

now, to compensate for differing ranges:

24-16 = 8 year range meaning roughly 2.7% of deaths per year per year of age
64-25 = 39 year range meaning roughly 1.8% of deaths per year per year of age

Simple statistics mate, it's how the government works and how the insurance works. Neither of which have time to figure out whether you're a better rider than me (you probably are) or who of us is the biggest risk taker (again, you probably are).

https://motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/10182005102215MWEBTY.htm

Just in case you're wondering I'm half way between the two groups - neither balding middle aged man nor impetulant youth and i've got my restricted test at the end of the week.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer i said one of the highest not the highest.

Im not trying to start a argument here im just saying how i think its unfair how adults (which 18year olds are) can't make there own mind up. I know there a idiots but that doesn't mean everyone is.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 28 Oct 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
I think a 600 would be a bit safer than iraq.


I doubt that very much.
I bet should you compare the number of riders of 600's killed compared to the number of our boys killed in Iraq you will find its safer out there. Sick

Few people on here are old enough to remember why the restrictions were placed on new riders....

I lost a good few friends who on passing their tests went from 250's to 750+ and never made the next christmas....

The restriction one is a daft idea in reality and should be like the 125 set up, in that you should be limited to engine size and power output rather than just power output.
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