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Jai466
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: How to avoid the po po Reply with quote

We have all done atleast once if never and some times when you're in a rush you can't aviod it.

Is there any device or way or telling which are unmarked cars/bikes?

Other than when the blue lights start to come on...
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My spidey sense.

I get a feeling about some vehicles.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
My spidey sense.

I get a feeling about some vehicles.


On a serious note any strange activity we should look out for?

Or even is there any device out there?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No dealer markings on the number plates.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clean, recent registration, lack of stickers/embellishments, epaulettes on shirts, well driven (that should make you suspicious for a start).
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plain colours normally straight silver, black, dark blue and occasionally white.

Blacked out window on rear is massive giveaway, though alot of newer cars are doing this now. But the rear screen is normally REALLY black to acomodate the flashing lights/police lighting when stopping.

Normally dirving on inside lane of the motorway believe it or not... like a spider waiting for prey.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about any decent devices out that can detect these cars/gun before we approach them?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a technical standpoint what do you think these 'devices' could be detecting?




Simple answer: No.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coxyzxr wrote:
From a technical standpoint what do you think these 'devices' could be detecting?




Simple answer: No.


I know with airline you are able to listen in to the signal... would it not be possible for a device to measure the strength of the signal of a police car and when it goes to a certain % flag a warning... just a thought.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely something could detect broadcasts over police radio bands? It'd be prone to false positives and only work when the cops are broadcasting though - i guess that's why such devices aren't commonly available...

Probably makes eyes the best detectors

As for the types of cars to look out for, I saw an old green 5 series bmw about a month ago on the A40 with two cops in yellow jackets and a lot of dashboard equipment. I was also tailed on my way to watford by a silver hyundai 4x4 after an exuberant start at the lights in my car, in the end i didn't get pulled, but it was definitely cops - I got a good look as they went past a couple of miles further down the road. A mate told me they're now using some of the seized vehicles instead of selling them on so they blend in a little more, but i can't confirm that myself.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A vehicle that is catching up with you, you pull across a lane to let them pass but it slows down and matches your lane.

If they are catching up with me, they are going pretty damned quick so why suddenly back off?

Attack of concience? Not at three figure speeds I think.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Surely something could detect broadcasts over police radio bands? It'd be prone to false positives and only work when the cops are broadcasting though - i guess that's why such devices aren't commonly available...



Police now use the Tetra digial radios, gone are the days of 'listening' in the analogue signals on police radios.

Digital signal highjacking and 'man in the middle' attacks whilst entirely possible is beyond the scope of most ametuer enthusiast, that includes signal triangulation also (ie pin pointing location) Laughing

It's not something you could contain into a little dashboard size unit with an earpiece either Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Surely something could detect broadcasts over police radio bands? It'd be prone to false positives and only work when the cops are broadcasting though - i guess that's why such devices aren't commonly available...

Probably makes eyes the best detectors

As for the types of cars to look out for, I saw an old green 5 series bmw about a month ago on the A40 with two cops in yellow jackets and a lot of dashboard equipment. I was also tailed on my way to watford by a silver hyundai 4x4 after an exuberant start at the lights in my car, in the end i didn't get pulled, but it was definitely cops - I got a good look as they went past a couple of miles further down the road. A mate told me they're now using some of the seized vehicles instead of selling them on so they blend in a little more, but i can't confirm that myself.


The A40 is full of them I got 3 points and fine going out of london near where the speed goes from 50 to 70.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jai466 wrote:
The A40 is full of them I got 3 points and fine going out of london near where the speed goes from 50 to 70.


It was just down from there i saw em.

My recommendation is get a satnav with the static sites. Then only ever be, at most, the second fastest vehicle on the section of road, don't weave and don't undertake. Cops avoided easy!
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
A mate told me they're now using some of the seized vehicles instead of selling them on so they blend in a little more, but i can't confirm that myself.


They've been doing that for a few years in Nottingham. They have had some chavtastic undercover motors.

Other warning signals are a profusion of aerials, metal boxes in the back window.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, keep an eye out for extra aerials on the roofs, ie there are a few Focuses about here with small areas just before the tailgate - but they're almost horizontal, but a dead giveaway of polizei.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
No dealer markings on the number plates.


Around here we have police cars stickered up to look like car salesmen cars. There's just a small police badge on the back and side of the cars and then lots of stickers advertising the local Kia dealership Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've yet to see a dirty cop car. So don't overtake any clean cars EVER! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I read somewhere that you don't have to stop for a plained clothes officer (in an unmarked car), or if you do pull over, you have the right to get back in your car/on your bike and tootle off.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Faraz wrote:
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I read somewhere that you don't have to stop for a plained clothes officer (in an unmarked car), or if you do pull over, you have the right to get back in your car/on your bike and tootle off.


I have a love/hate relationship with these I read somewhere or I heard that...

I love to believe them but I hate that there's never any real confirmation on it so would never even attempt it. Laughing

Like the, ride near an airport as they can't get airspace clearence immediately, somewhere like a main airport I could go with this but smaller local ones I'd have trouble believing.

Oh and they if over 130 miles an hour they won't chase bikes as it's too dangerous.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattHirst wrote:
Faraz wrote:
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I read somewhere that you don't have to stop for a plained clothes officer (in an unmarked car), or if you do pull over, you have the right to get back in your car/on your bike and tootle off.


Correct. A police officer has to be in uniform - which is why you see so many in uniform in unmarked traffic cars...

Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 163

Power of police to stop vehicles

(1) A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.

(2) A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.

(3) If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
MattHirst wrote:


I read somewhere that you don't have to stop for a plained clothes officer (in an unmarked car), or if you do pull over, you have the right to get back in your car/on your bike and tootle off.


Correct. A police officer has to be in uniform - which is why you see so many in uniform in unmarked traffic cars...


I can't imagine a plain clothed officer just accepting that, I'm sure they still try to take you in and let you try to battle it later
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky wrote:
I can't imagine a plain clothed officer just accepting that, I'm sure they still try to take you in and let you try to battle it later


You sneaked in while I was pinnign down which section of the Road Traffic Act applied.

Fact is you don't have to pull over for them if you aren't in uniform so they will have to get their uniformed collegues to pull you over for them.

They should know that so the chances are they are just chancing their arm.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 05 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Chalky wrote:
I can't imagine a plain clothed officer just accepting that, I'm sure they still try to take you in and let you try to battle it later


You sneaked in while I was pinnign down which section of the Road Traffic Act applied.

Fact is you don't have to pull over for them if you aren't in uniform so they will have to get their uniformed collegues to pull you over for them.

The fact is they should know that one.


Fair enough. Don't think I'll be trying it tho when the time comes, unless I'm feeling over cockey, it'll be something along the lines of "certainly officer I understand, but Kal said...." Laughing
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