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PostPosted: 20:09 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Honda magna only running on two cyl? Reply with quote

Any ideas what could be the cause?

It's getting a good spark on all 4 cylinders.

Has really good compression.

If i remove both the front HT leads it makes no difference(still runs like a bag of sh!t)

I removed the plugs and there is definitely fuel getting to them.

I swapped the rear coils with the front (aswell as plugs) and still no difference.

If i remove the plug leads from the rear 2 cylinders it still starts running on the front two but soon as you get on the throttle it dies.
The exhausts on the front 2 cylinders dont get hot either.

So now i have the carbs off (thinking it must be a fueling issue).

Any other things to try?

This all started after i washed the bike.

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Re: Honda magna only running on two cyl? Reply with quote

justmetoo125 wrote:


Any other things to try?

This all started after i washed the bike.


Get a big can of WD40 and spray anything that looks even slightly electrical with it. Including the inside of switchgear (using the handy straw provided) and including pulling apart terminal blocks and doing the inside of them.

WD40 = Water displacing fluid #40

You will not damage anything electrical by spraying it with WD40.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup,i usually do that anyway.

It's not much help to the current problem though as it's getting a spark Question

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was starting off simple. You washed it, it stopped working immediately after => the washing has something to do with it => some part of the bike was either dislodged or didn't like getting wet => electrical problem until proven otherwise.

I have also worked on bikes for long enough to know that 90% of carburettion problems are electrical and washing your bike isn't going to have done anything to the carbs. People tend to go for the carbs because it is easy to understand and fix them, electrics are more difficult but are invariably at the root of the problem.

It is sparking but that doesn't mean it is necessarily sparking well or at the correct time.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 28 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I was starting off simple. You washed it, it stopped working immediately after => the washing has something to do with it => some part of the bike was either dislodged or didn't like getting wet => electrical problem until proven otherwise.

I have also worked on bikes for long enough to know that 90% of carburettion problems are electrical and washing your bike isn't going to have done anything to the carbs. People tend to go for the carbs because it is easy to understand and fix them, electrics are more difficult but are invariably at the root of the problem.

It is sparking but that doesn't mean it is necessarily sparking well or at the correct time.


Got ya Thumbs Up .But if it was an electrical problem causing it to spark at the wrong time,wouldn't it also be wrong on the back two cylinders?(assuming it would be the pulse coil that was faulty,but even if it was the cdi it would be a fault with all 4 cylinders.?)

What other part of the electrical system could it be?


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PostPosted: 00:32 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking more along the lines of a duff connection somewhere, most likely in a connector block.

I'd be checking all the wiring between the CDI and the coils with particular attention to any connector blocks.

I'd check the power supply to each coil.

I'd give the sidestand cutout a spray just for good measure.
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of a duff connection somewhere, most likely in a connector block.

I'd be checking all the wiring between the CDI and the coils with particular attention to any connector blocks.

I'd check the power supply to each coil.

I'd give the sidestand cutout a spray just for good measure.


Yes but a duff connection would cause a complete failure,certainly not on just two particular cylinders.

Both coils are getting power and delivering the spark to the plug.

Sidestand cut out would again cause complete power loss meaning the engine would be unable to fire at all.
I actually rode the bike 15miles the way it is albeit quite slowly Laughing

All the above would surely rule out an electrical fault? or am i missing something?
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firing on two sounds like a prime electrical fault, doubly so in a V-4.

You will have a different pickup coil serving those two cylinders, although I doubt that's the problem. Does your bike have a thing to stop it going over 112mph (Jap market speed restriction)? If it does, they work by cutting ignition to two cylinders when the bike is doing 112mph or more.

I'm with Stinkwheel. Carb problems are nearly always electrical, particularly seeing as you haven't been fiddling with them either. Water, Honda electrics, that's asking for trouble.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent experience with my Mille has confirmed how totally unbelievable electrical problems can be.

Since it will only take 20 minutes to do, I second the idea of spraying all of your electrical connectors with WD40 from point blank range.

Maybe give the spade connectors a wiggle on the coils and stuff too. Also, check the engine earths? I dunno how they are on that bike.

Never rule out daft electrical problems!
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 29 Dec 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally figured it out Smile

If i knew this bike had two cdi units i would have figured it out a lot quicker Embarassed

So yeah it has two,and ones flecked.

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Just so you know stinkwheel,i wasn't doubting your knowledge of bikes i was just trying to understand how you were coming to the conclusions you did under the circumstances.
Either way you were right Thumbs Up

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