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PostPosted: 14:03 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Not sure... best or worst everyday maneuver I've seen Reply with quote

Was on the A413 today in my cage (little ford ka), just where it meets the A40. Accelerated away from the lights fairly briskly up to 50 with a bmw x5 on the inside pretty much matching me. Out of nowhere a bike (didn't catch the make never mind the model - but it was a commuter hack with a top box) but it flew in between me and the X5 - we were so close though he had to jink between the wing mirrors just like i do at about 10mph when filtering.

One hell of a skilled maneuver at the pace he was going (70-80 I'd estimate) but can't imagine there's too many of them left in him!
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

He could have taken you out if you had to make a small adjustment to your road position.. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:26 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Not sure... best or worst everyday maneuver I've seen Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Was on the A413 today in my cage (little ford ka), just where it meets the A40. Accelerated away from the lights fairly briskly up to 50 with a bmw x5 on the inside pretty much matching me. Out of nowhere a bike (didn't catch the make never mind the model - but it was a commuter hack with a top box) but it flew in between me and the X5 - we were so close though he had to jink between the wing mirrors just like i do at about 10mph when filtering.

One hell of a skilled maneuver at the pace he was going (70-80 I'd estimate) but can't imagine there's too many of them left in him!


Dual carriageway I'm guessing? If that's the case, what's the point in using both lanes between you and the x5 with having the same speed while you can be in front or behind doing the same speed and allowing people to overtake safely Wink

I too get fed up having to wait for people to overtake one car while only going 0.05mph faster. So I go in between.

Skilled? Not that hard really tbh. It may seem so, but if you gave ti a couple of goes you'd understand Wink

If it isn't a d/cw then ignore and the biker is a nutter Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think about doing this every day! The number of times I'm in the right hand lane of a dual carriageway stuck behind a car that refuses to go faster than a car in the inside left next to them is infuriating, however personally it's just too much of a risk so I stay behind until the traffic slows enough for me to filter through...

On another note, being a biker and seeing a Ford Ka in front of me trying* to outdo a BMW X5 would automatically make me roll my eyes and try to get past the Ka as quickly as possible. Are KA's even allowed in the 'fast lane'!? Laughing


* I'm not saying you were doing this by the way... Wink
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a short stretch of dual carriageway, 3 lanes towards a roundabout and we'd just left the lights. I normally accelerate quicker than most despite my puny car then switch to the middle so i can hit my turn off, but this time the X5 matched me up the inside - think he was turning right so we both wanted each others lane.

It was just the gap at the speed. Imagine filtering at 30 through very tight stationary traffic - hard enough, but then adding 50mph to everyone's speed! The X5 was in the middle lane so the bike could've gone up the inside of him which might've been easier although equally as illegal.

Wouldn't call him stupid biker, just ballsy and the 'jiggle' between the mirrors reminded me of my own movements just done a lot more deftly at speed.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
* I'm not saying you were doing this by the way... Wink


Oh, but i was Smile I'm usually not too bad at it either! I 'won' in the end today anyway Wink
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undertaking isn't illegal Wink

The speed is however! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be wrong but i thought undertaking was legal but illadvised?
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:
Undertaking isn't illegal Wink


not sure whether you're joking (I'm not sure whether the sarcasm bit of my brain quite works when I'm reading), but it is and i was just trying to find a link saying as such and my little google.co.uk search for undertaking uk motorway brought up the number two hit as lexus owners club... figures.

edit: Turns out I'm probably wrong, see my post below.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undertaking is perfectly legal. It's just not recommended and frowned upon. If they were to pull you over for other things though, speed, dangerous driving they can use it as evidence and to back things up.

But undertaking, within the speed limits is entirely legal Razz

Considering I've undertaken quite a few police cars on dual carriageways and motorways and never been pulled would also say something I'm sure. Razz
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forget your speed sometimes, I've been filtering through stationary motorway traffic only to look down at see 50/60mph on the clocks.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what your saying about bikes filtering too fast and we all fall foul of it from time to time, last week before I got the flu I was filtering and clipped mirrors and there was an immediate beep from the car but I was already gone so yep I was going to fast and miss judged the width of my big Rickman fairing with the mirrors at car wing mirror height, oops.
I bet the drivers was saying "f*"king bikers
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

m0l0t0v wrote:
Undertaking is perfectly legal. It's just not recommended and frowned upon. If they were to pull you over for other things though, speed, dangerous driving they can use it as evidence and to back things up.

But undertaking, within the speed limits is entirely legal Razz

Considering I've undertaken quite a few police cars on dual carriageways and motorways and never been pulled would also say something I'm sure. Razz


I have never heard this one, if you are in the lane because its an exit lane approaching or the car your undertaking is in his lane for a reason like approaching a turn right r-bout example then yes you can undertake but if your fleeing down the motorway and the car in the third lane stays there it is as far as Im aware illegal to undertake him and dangerous driving, check it out
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've filtered my way along the A421 during heavy roadworks, from the west ide of the M1, heading eastt. Happily overtaking all the cars, until it gets to the last few hundred yards, where it's just too tight, too dicey, and no room to filter. Pull into the line of traffic, and watch astounded at acourier who carried on going past at 30+ between the trucks, with a fag papers space either side of the mirrors.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im pretty sure it is highly illegal to undertake, unless in slow moving traffic where the lane you are undertaking is stationary, or when somebody is turning right across the carriageway, then you can. It states about this somewhere in the highway code i think. Ive always been under the impression its illegal anyways Question
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Im pretty sure it is highly illegal to undertake, unless in slow moving traffic where the lane you are undertaking is stationary, or when somebody is turning right across the carriageway, then you can. It states about this somewhere in the highway code i think. Ive always been under the impression its illegal anyways Question


looks like molotov is right, see the section "The Official Rely..."

https://www.middlelanemorons.com/script/middle_lane_morons_prob.php

Well i guess you learn something new and all that.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:


looks like molotov is right, see the section "The Official Rely..."

https://www.middlelanemorons.com/script/middle_lane_morons_prob.php

Well i guess you learn something new and all that.


Thank you. I was going to go and find a link, but I couldn't be arsed and I need to change my CV. Razz

Undertaking is for all road users like filtering is for the cagers (who don't own or know motorbikes) They think it's illegal. but it isn't Razz

Like I've said before, i've undertaken police cars and never been pulled. I undertook a police car on the motorway, I looked in my mirrors and he moved over. There was also no other vehicles on the road Wink
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

swiftb38 wrote:
Im pretty sure it is highly illegal to undertake, unless in slow moving traffic where the lane you are undertaking is stationary, or when somebody is turning right across the carriageway, then you can. It states about this somewhere in the highway code i think. Ive always been under the impression its illegal anyways Question


If you are in laned traffic and the left hand lane is moving faster than the right its legal to pass them.
Very often do this while on my commute where traffic seems to not understand that the bus lane is open to ALL traffic EXCEPT for the hours of 07:30 to 09:30 monday to friday......
Just waiting for some muppet to shout do you not know its a bus lane to come back with, how did you pass your test if you can't read or tell the time then... Laughing

Even undertaking on a M'Way is not illegal as such, no specific offence listed. You simply end up with dangerous driving.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 12 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i'l be damned Laughing
I always had it in my head it was actually illegal, my mrs even plays fuck with ppl who do it when were in the car together Neutral
I must admit to doing it myself now and then if some 'lane hogging' mo fo really winds me up, tho I would never have done it if plod were about as i'd expect to get pulled and shafted for it. I still think if you did in in front of a traffic cop, he would shaft you for 'without due care' or something similar, but i'l carry on trying my best not to find out!

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PostPosted: 01:24 - 13 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's a cool thing to know that it's not illegal, I do it to prove a point to middle lane hoggers but always thought I'd be in the wrong. Cheers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 03:05 - 13 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

that doesnt sound too bad,
ive done the same thing but clipped both mirrors of both cars,
not a good look Very Happy
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PostPosted: 03:57 - 13 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Even undertaking on a M'Way is not illegal as such, no specific offence listed. You simply end up with dangerous driving.


If they try and charge me for dangerous driving for just undertaking then I would take it to court.

If they were to charge me for dangerous driving for various otehr things (like they followed me) and used undertaking as backup then I would take it.

But if I was to be told off for udnertaking alone I would ask to see where in the road traffic act it states you must not undertake and thereby making it illegal.

Tis simple.
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 13 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh.

Splitting between two cars which are right next to each other is pretty 'safe' IMO. They are very unliklely to close the gap between themselves to the extent I would not be able to get through, and you can observe their behaviour for a few seconds before taking the decision to go through if you are a bit unsure.

Used to split between cars at an indicated 100 on the M3 regularly, when the cars were doing 65-80. Never had a brown trouser moment.
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Used to split between cars at an indicated 100 on the M3 regularly, when the cars were doing 65-80. Never had a brown trouser moment


Not nice for the car drivers.

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